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Poll Results: Do you believe there is heat issues with Ivy Bridge CPUs

 
  • 45% (20)
    Yes
  • 45% (20)
    No
  • 9% (4)
    Yes but not from the TIM on the IHS
44 Total Votes  
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Originally Posted by opt33 View Post

I thought this was an overclockers forum... based on some comments about not an issue with IVY heat unless overclocking would make one think otherwise.
But no question, if running stock or a mild overclock, there are no heat issues with IVY, it is a very efficient cpu. Intel uses paste tim on all their cheaper cpus that have low enough TDP, has always been that way. Read intel white papers, and it will be clear why they use solder only on higher TDP processors, and that it significantly adds to the cost to use solder. Any intel cpu can be soldered, they are all copper laden silicon dies, what determines whether soldered or not is... does TDP and temps warrant the extra cost.
Judging by stock values of TDP on IVY, and temps at stock, and given how efficient this cpu is at stock, it would be a massive waste of money for intel to solder ivy cpus, hence they did not....but overclocking changes the total dissipated power dramatically and the temps.
Looking at all the people that have delidded and changed tims, they are getting 10-15+C better temps depending on how much overclocked, solder at 87 w/mk vs best paste with 10x lower conductivity would yield better temps yet. However the issue with changing tim is you have to keep reapplying every few weeks/months as pump out occurs on dissimilar materials, ie die and IHS, so to keep those good temps is a constant pain, read anandtech thread on delidded cpus (rge there) I posted some of intel whitepapers. User tim that we buy was not meant to be used for tim 1, special die attach materials were designed to avoid pump out of that space.
K cpus however are sold for overclocking. The dissipated power if overclocking to 4.7 to 4.8 is high enough that if intel sold these chips in that condition, no question, intel would use solder based on their own papers. Again whether to use solder of not, in intel white papers, is based on TDP and temps under worst case conditions.
Unclewebb (author of realtemp) and I (rge on xtreme) did a lot of testing on xtreme forum, with IR guns, embedded thermocouples in IHS and die, and even got to talk with intel engineers, and in a few years with massive community asking about temps, intel had written white papers showing the accuracies and inaccuraries of the 2 programs....BUT THEN INTEL RESPONDED to all the inquiries that was generated from multiple sources including the testing, and started making tjmax software accessible. If no one had done any testing or complaining or just sat back and said hey we will accept whatever intel gives us... NO ONE WOULD HAVE ACCURATE TEMPS EVEN TODAY, SO UNCLEWEBB (KEVIN) SHOULD BE THANKED FOR STARTING THE INVESTIGATION.
And we all realize we are running cpus out of specs, but K cpus are sold for overclocking, ie we pay more to buy cpus MEANT TO BE RUN OUT OF SPECS. IF intel did not want us overclocking and showing how high we can go....they would not sell cpus that are more expensive...ONLY BECAUSE they can be overclocked. And these forums are lot of free advertising....just look at all the intel fans rushing to defend intel...no those temps are ok, your overclocking to high.
And solder on K cpus is simply not something intel would have even given a moments thought about. But if enough people POLITELY ask intel for solder on cpus, and enough people get behind it...PROVIDING intel can do so in a cost efficient manner, ie passing cost onto those that buy k cpus (they certainly found a way to keep us happy with making tjmax software accessible), then I for one will cast my vote to support. Perhaps tell intel, we will cover the extra $5 per cpu for soldering, just add to cost, and if enough agree to pay any extra....well....
IT DOESNT HURT TO ASK....but all you naysayers, be glad someone else spoke up for you, and got temps to be readable, otherwise we would all be still arguing whether temps were even accurate or not. Also I would not state it like intel did something wrong since that isnt the issue, but rather voice it as a plea that us overclockers could show off their chips even better with solder tim on K cpus, and we are willing to pay the few extra bucks to do so, because no question intel has a great cpu in IVY, but we just want to show it in a better light yet

Thank you very much.
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post #22 of 28
You would be better off attempting Intel to add a new revision of 3770k and 3570k that use solder (3790k and 3590k for instance)

I feel as if they should have been soldered, or had a variant that was soldered, but by no means should they have been required to do so.
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post #23 of 28
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Its not nessacarily the solder as much as the TIM sucks . Tha would be acceptable to me a new model with solder if i have to pay more fine. And even if we get no change to ivy with this petiton maybe they will make haswell better after are complaints. I would be happy with just better TIM with out having to cut my chip open to get it.
Edited by Cyber Locc - 9/7/12 at 8:20am
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You are correct, but that chip only makes up a small portion of the overall market when it comes to global sales. A vast majority of their chips are non-K and thus a vast majority of their sales are to other portions of the market. Most gamers will by a K revision, and then never touch it. Same for other people as well. 

Now when you look at this as a whole, Intel is not going to spend millions to retool their entire line just because 2% of their market doesn't like the fact their chips run a little hotter. I would go more into this, but I gottta go to work.
There may be a low amount of overclockers but while regular users buy a chip and thats it for 5 years we buy a new one once a year when the come out soooo.
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I heard intel CPU IB is running hot is it true ?
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Thank you very much.

wow, so if someone disagrees with you, you will reply with "PLEASE JUST SIGN AND VOTE, THAT'S IT, NO COMMENTS, OR JUST MAKE IT SHORT."

but if some agrees, you don't mind if they write thousands of words, you will even say "THANK YOU VERY MUCH"
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They have recalled and repaired chips before please im not here to argue. Its simple if you agree with me take 2 secs from your day and sign. Please do not be negative or rude or argue thats not what this is for. Your probalby right they probaly wont but then dont mean just sit be and be quiet cause then nothing will change. Think about what if the other people in history that made there voices heard ex martin luther king what if he just sit back and shut up. It doesnt hurt to try.

I am not arguing. I debating that your petition will get shot down or ignored.  

 

Again, Intel isn't going to do anything about this because the chips, under NORMAL circumstances, runs well within their design specs. It is not like the processor is overheating at every chance it gets nor is it affecting the long term life of the chip itself (without overclocking). Also, the fact that they used TIM allows extreme overclocks the ability to delid the chips and have even more fun. Plus it makes it more challenging to keep these things cool. 

 

 I am aware Intel has recalled chips in the past, but that was due to design flaws (like the P67 recall). This is not necessarily a design flaw, but more of a small (very small) design oversight (which may not be). Any idea how much R&D Intel puts into their chips? They wouldn't let something that would cause problems slip out the door. 

 
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