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post #1 of 13
9/6/12 at 10:47pm
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Ok, so I have some questions. They're pretty basic.

Current setup:
MSI H61 p31 (4 sata)
Intel Celeron G540
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Boot: WD Blue 160gb 2.5" drive
Storage 1: 1tb Seagate
Storage 2: 1tb WD Green
Storage 3: Hitachi 7k3000 2tb

I would like to add more storage. I bought a Dell Perc 5i with a PCI slot bracket.

1) Does Seagate still only offer the pitiful 1 year warranty on their drives ?
2) Windows 8 storage pools; If I wanted to use this feature, I know I can't use my perc 5i as a raid card; would I just make 4 individual "pools" in the Dell configuration as single drives in raid 0, and then add them to a windows 8 storage pool ?
3) I need more space for drives. I know a 5-in-3 hotswap would be best, but those are also pricy. What are some other options ?
4) Dell perc cards need cooling; how much cooling is enough ? If I mounted a 120mm fan to the bottom pci slot (slot #8), would that be enough for the perc 5i card (which is mounted in slot #1) ? It's a Yate Loon D12sl12. Card is stock, with no additional heatsink on the ARM chip and the small black heatsink on the other chip. PSU has the fan facing the floor, so it would just be moving internal air to the card.
5) Where is the best place to buy a 1 molex to many sata connectors be ? Something like the thing Silverstone provides with the TJ04E case.
6) Are the Hitachi 7k3000 2tb drives still the drive to buy ? I know that the perc 5i can only do 2tb drives max.
7) If I wanted to protect against boot drive failure, could I buy another 2.5" drive identical to what I have now, and then use the windows disk utility based raid mirror utility, or would I have to format and start fresh using the onboard marvell raid ?
8) How long do drives take to initialize with the Dell Perc 5i ? For 4 drives in raid 5 ? Is there like a super fast initialize option ?
9) Is there an in-windows utility for the Dell card, in case like one of the drives fails, to inform me of that ?

Thanks !
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post #2 of 13
9/7/12 at 12:20am
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Ok, so I have some questions. They're pretty basic.
Current setup:
MSI H61 p31 (4 sata)
Intel Celeron G540
2x4gb G.Skill
Antec Neo Eco 450c
Antec three hundred two
Boot: WD Blue 160gb 2.5" drive
Storage 1: 1tb Seagate
Storage 2: 1tb WD Green
Storage 3: Hitachi 7k3000 2tb
I would like to add more storage. I bought a Dell Perc 5i with a PCI slot bracket.
1) Does Seagate still only offer the pitiful 1 year warranty on their drives ?
2) Windows 8 storage pools; If I wanted to use this feature, I know I can't use my perc 5i as a raid card; would I just make 4 individual "pools" in the Dell configuration as single drives in raid 0, and then add them to a windows 8 storage pool ?
3) I need more space for drives. I know a 5-in-3 hotswap would be best, but those are also pricy. What are some other options ?
4) Dell perc cards need cooling; how much cooling is enough ? If I mounted a 120mm fan to the bottom pci slot (slot #8), would that be enough for the perc 5i card (which is mounted in slot #1) ? It's a Yate Loon D12sl12. Card is stock, with no additional heatsink on the ARM chip and the small black heatsink on the other chip. PSU has the fan facing the floor, so it would just be moving internal air to the card.
5) Where is the best place to buy a 1 molex to many sata connectors be ? Something like the thing Silverstone provides with the TJ04E case.
6) Are the Hitachi 7k3000 2tb drives still the drive to buy ? I know that the perc 5i can only do 2tb drives max.
7) If I wanted to protect against boot drive failure, could I buy another 2.5" drive identical to what I have now, and then use the windows disk utility based raid mirror utility, or would I have to format and start fresh using the onboard marvell raid ?
8) How long do drives take to initialize with the Dell Perc 5i ? For 4 drives in raid 5 ? Is there like a super fast initialize option ?
9) Is there an in-windows utility for the Dell card, in case like one of the drives fails, to inform me of that ?
Thanks !
1) i have a samsung/Seagate HD240UI that has warranty until 2015 so even though the warranty is done by seagate i am not sure
2) Just use them as individual drives if you are going to do win 8 storage
3) 4 in 3, im also having same problem
4) I have a PCI Blower fan underneath mine and its perfectly cool
5) ebay?
6) Yes the Perc 5i can only see upto 2TB, not sure on the best drives though
7) No idea
8) Fast initiliase and its uber quick on an additional drive that isnt on the raid
9) you could upgrade the firmware to the LSI one then use LSI Storage manager
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post #3 of 13
9/8/12 at 6:11am
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1) Yes, according to what I've recently read.

3) 3-in-2. I have an IcyDock which does this. Either this, or buy a case with a brickload of drive slots. Look in the "Post Your Server!" thread for ideas.

5) eBay??

6) Yes, Hitachis tend to perform well in RAID compared to other desktop-class units. The 5K3000 2Tb is also an option, as well as the WD Red "NASware" drives.

9) The LSI MegaRAID Storage Manager should see the card and be able to manage it. I've done this on a Dell PE1900 running openSUSE.
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9/8/12 at 6:39am
1) Dunno, check their site?
2) Yes
3) You can get something like this. I actually have two that I can sell you if you like.t
4) Yes it would be enough.
5) Newegg? Performance-PCs? eBay?
6) Dunno, I like WD.
7) No. And you may have trouble using both the Marvell RAID and the Perc 5/i at the same time, depending on your motherboard.
8) Yes.
9) LSI Megaraid Manager
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post #5 of 13
9/8/12 at 8:17am
1) Does Seagate still only offer the pitiful 1 year warranty on their drives ?
On consumer drives, yes.
2) Windows 8 storage pools; If I wanted to use this feature, I know I can't use my perc 5i as a raid card; would I just make 4 individual "pools" in the Dell configuration as single drives in raid 0, and then add them to a windows 8 storage pool ?
You can still create a raid with the PERC, then Storage Spaces would see that as a single volume (since it is)...and Storage Spaces can divy it out into smaller partitions, if you wanted. If you have a PERC 5/i, there is honestly not many reasons you would want to use Storage Spaces. Create the hardware raid.
3) I need more space for drives. I know a 5-in-3 hotswap would be best, but those are also pricy. What are some other options ?
Like others have said, 4-in-3 are cheaper. Or find ones that aren't hotswap, which are basically called drive expanders. They are cheaper since they don't have a hot-swap backplane. What Manyak listed is exactly what I am referring to.
4) Dell perc cards need cooling; how much cooling is enough ? If I mounted a 120mm fan to the bottom pci slot (slot #8), would that be enough for the perc 5i card (which is mounted in slot #1) ? It's a Yate Loon D12sl12. Card is stock, with no additional heatsink on the ARM chip and the small black heatsink on the other chip. PSU has the fan facing the floor, so it would just be moving internal air to the card.
The problem with mounting a fan in the bottom PCI slot, is that it will have limited space for intaking air. It would definitely help, but would not be that efficient. You could mount fan on the OUTSIDE of the case, on the PCI brackets that will suck air away from the card...being an exhaust fan. Better yet would be a PCI Blower as Norse said. Those will either have a fan blow that will exhaust out of the case, or bring fresh air in from the back of the case...depending on the one you get.
5) Where is the best place to buy a 1 molex to many sata connectors be ? Something like the thing Silverstone provides with the TJ04E case.
Cables-to-Go, or Newegg is the place I buy them. I don't like buying any cheap chinese stuff from ebay that have Molex pins, as they will surely fall out and cause trouble. Not a big deal to fix, but I find it irritating. Now to my knowledge they only have a Male Molex to 2 Female SATA, and here is a good one. If a single Molex to 2 SATA isn't good enough, then you could do something like this...NORCO C-P1T7, which is 1 male molex to 7 female molex, then get 7 of these. More expensive, but another option.
6) Are the Hitachi 7k3000 2tb drives still the drive to buy ? I know that the perc 5i can only do 2tb drives max.
Hitachi 7K3000s are great. Problem with WD consumer drives in raid, is the lack of TLER. They still work, but not as reliable as they could be. Hitachi's version of TLER, called CCTL, is on their 7K3000 series drives. I personally love Hitachi, but with the WDC buyout, and WDC selling the Hitachi 3.5" consumer line to Toshiba...who knows were the future is going with Hitachi. Currently, if you RMA a 7K3000...you may get another back, or you could get a WD drive...which won't have CCTL/TLER, which I wouldn't be too happy about. Toshiba's new line of 2TB drives have the same specs as the 7K3000s, so maybe you should take a look at them. Toshiba DT01ACA200
7) If I wanted to protect against boot drive failure, could I buy another 2.5" drive identical to what I have now, and then use the windows disk utility based raid mirror utility, or would I have to format and start fresh using the onboard marvell raid ?
I wouldn't recommend creating a raid out of your boot drive inside Windows. Even though it's just a mirror, and hypothetically it should work...I am not sure how reliable it is. I would just recommend getting a second drive, rebuilding the OS using the onboard controller (Marvell) and doing a mirror. That is what I do with all my servers. My storage server has 2 60GB SSDs in a Raid 1 for the boot drive, and uses a LSI MegaRAID 9261-8i controller with a HP SAS Expander for my storage arrays.
8) How long do drives take to initialize with the Dell Perc 5i ? For 4 drives in raid 5 ? Is there like a super fast initialize option ?
There is Fast Init, but I would recommend doing a Full Init. If the drives have been in any kind of raid prior (especially a stripped Raid (0, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 50, 60, etc) then do a Full Init. Otherwise, stripe or parity data may be left behind and cause issues. A Full Init on 4 2TBs in a Raid 5 shouldn't take more than 20 hours, I wouldn't think. Takes a while, but it's being thorough.
9) Is there an in-windows utility for the Dell card, in case like one of the drives fails, to inform me of that ?
Like other's have stated, use LSI MSM (MegaRAID Storage Manager).
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9/9/12 at 1:31am
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Thanks for all the answers.

Does seagate still offer more than 1 year on oem drives ?

Forgot to mention that I'm in Canada, so drive cages and such will be harder to find or more expensive. Ideally, I'd get hot-swap, or at least one that used rails so I could just pull a drive without having to open everything up and unscrew it.

That norco 1-7 molex + 7 molex to sata looks like it would be just the thing. Would be nice if they made a 1-7 sata though.

For my Dell Perc 5i, would this cable work: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/4-in-1-sata-to-scsi-hard-disk-data-cable-1940
I know it's sff8484 to sata, but it seems like there are directions for even this ?
or this one ? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/32-pin-SFF-8484-4-x-7-pin-internal-SAS-cable-Serial-Attached-SCSI-cable-50cm-/140605010864?pt=US_Drive_Cables_dapters&hash=item20bcb633b0

My case, the Antec 302, has a 120mm opening right in the side panel in that area; if I just put a fan there, would that be enough ?

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9/9/12 at 4:31am
@OP

Those cables are the right type, just make sure you get "forward breakout cables". You can get reverse breakout cables that look exactly the same but are wired differently - and won't work. I use forward breakout cables on my Dell SAS 6/iR.
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9/15/12 at 3:58am
2012′s licensing is actually even better. With 2012, if you license Enterprise Edition, you get unlimited virtualization again. It’s even better!
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9/15/12 at 4:03am
One guy on here was selling a dell perc card but, i he used an after market north bridge cooler for cooling, I have top so thats a pretty good idea if one has the space.
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2012′s licensing is actually even better. With 2012, if you license Enterprise Edition, you get unlimited virtualization again. It’s even better!

Incorrect. With Server 2012, there is only two main licensing options. Standard and Datacenter. Standard is what you want if running a server app (SQL, AD DS, DHCP, DNS, etc) and comes with licensing to run 2 VMs. Datacenter edition allows for unlimited VMs. A license for either is only valid on up to 2 CPUs, so if you had a 4P system, it would require two licenses of either (depending on what you are doing with it). I think 9 VMs is that magic number where it is more cost effective to buy Datacenter, instead of Standard licenses.

Foundation edition, as well as Windows Storage Server 2012 is OEM only...so you can't buy that. There is also Server 2012 Essentials, which is basically Windows Home Server mashed with Small Business Server. Licensing for up to 25 users, or something like that...and is $425 for a license to cover 2 CPUs. Lastly, there is the free Hyper-V Server 2012...which is free, and allows for 4 VMs to run on it...but you have to pay for the license of the guest OS (or you could run linux and have a free Hypervisor, and free guests).
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