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The thing is, there aren't many situations where performance is needed. That is why Dell and HP are having huge losses. In the consumer market, all but the enthusiasts can get by, and more conveniently, with tablets. The corporate desktop is where the OEMs get saved, and only because of Windows stranglehold over it. I do computer programming for a living (which isn't the most computer intensive job, but well above average) and the recent tablets that are coming out would probably have enough power for me to do my work on. I would just need a keyboard and a larger screen, both of which you can attach to current tablets.
Just because people say tablets are the future doesn't mean they will replace everything. Desktop computing in a few years won't be completely replaced, but it will be a niche market in the consumer segment.

I agree. I my self have also worked as a programmer and sure to write code you don't need much but depending on what you program things might change. Java or other interpreted languages are usually pretty easy to work with and need little power under normal circumstances but when you have bugs and cascading infinite loops then extra power does come in handy. Ones you move to compilable languages then I much prefer to have a proper high performance desktop as bug hunting with long compile times can be really aggravating.

Also the thing is that part of the reason that there isn't many intensive programs that general consumers use is that there is a large spread in computer hardware now days so when a new program is written for that market its made to run with as low system requirements as possible so it will reach the biggest possible number of people.
    
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Cayenne. MicroCenter =/= Everywhere
The closest MC to me is 1500 miles away.

Just because you're not close to one doesn't mean that they cease to exist at that price point. rolleyes.gif
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Impressive how a billion dollar cut doesn't seems to be a great deal to Intel..
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Q: What's the likelihood that Haswell faces some sort of delay due to a glut of Ivy Bridge chips like the SB glut did to IB mobile?
    
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Q: What's the likelihood that Haswell faces some sort of delay due to a glut of Ivy Bridge chips like the SB glut did to IB mobile?

It would be hilarious if this happened to desktop, because ivy bridge is barely an upgrade to desktop anyway. Honestly, this seems very probable to me
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I'm surprised Intel expected people to upgrade from SB to IB. SB took such a huge leap from previous generations that pretty much everybody hopped on, and while IB definitely pulls it's weight for most purposes and most users (i.e. desktop/gaming use) there's just no need to upgrade from SB to IB.

Anyone could've seen this coming from a mile away -_-

If Intel really wants to cash-in, they will drop SB into the $100-190 area and pretty much end up with the every man and their mother buying Intel.
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I'm surprised Intel expected people to upgrade from SB to IB. SB took such a huge leap from previous generations that pretty much everybody hopped on, and while IB definitely pulls it's weight for most purposes and most users (i.e. desktop/gaming use) there's just no need to upgrade from SB to IB.
Anyone could've seen this coming from a mile away -_-
If Intel really wants to cash-in, they will drop SB into the $100-190 area and pretty much end up with the every man and their mother buying Intel.

They expected this due to two reasons:

1. Only enthusiasts will care about the only marginal increase in performance compared to SB and the disappointing (relatively speaking; still a beast) overclockability.
2. Everyone else cares about the decreased power draw.
    
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2. Everyone else cares about the decreased power draw.

I honestly don't think they really do, except in regards to mobile. Or at least I have only really seen them marketed that way in regards to mobile (really I have only really seen ultrabook commercials, but they don't even really specifically mention the new gen or ivy bridge at all)
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You can get a i5 2500k at my local Micro Center in Columbus, Ohio for $160

Never mind, I read the rest of the comments an saw other people had posted the same thing lol
Edited by Iciee - 9/9/12 at 3:40pm
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I'm surprised Intel expected people to upgrade from SB to IB. SB took such a huge leap from previous generations that pretty much everybody hopped on, and while IB definitely pulls it's weight for most purposes and most users (i.e. desktop/gaming use) there's just no need to upgrade from SB to IB.
Anyone could've seen this coming from a mile away -_-

I'm still sporting a Penryn in my desktop and a 1st gen i7 in my laptop. They show their age a bit, but there isn't any serious detriment to gaming in this console generation. To me there is too many reasons to hold out for Broadwell for a whole new build.

14nm
DDR4
Coincides with next-gen console window.
GPUs getting a die shrink too.
SDD prices get 18 more months to drop, meaning I can afford a bigger one.

Since it is September already, the way I see it, it's only ~18 months away ...not a terribly long wait. No HUGE game has been announced that screams "MUST HAVE NEW RIG!" for it. Well Crysis 3 ...ok, sure it will be much too for my current hardware to run righteously, but there is no Fallout4 on the horizon for the next 18 months and only a game of that caliber has the right to yell new hardware demands at me.

Also, if I learned anything from when Crysis first came out, it's that if a really popular game demands it, GPU makers will make a performance card for it [ala 8800GT] ...and that will just give me a better all around card for all games at a better price. So I hope Crytek ain't talking smack when they say Crysis3 will bring PCs to their proverbial knees ...bring it Crytek and let me profit from the aftermath.


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If Intel really wants to cash-in, they will drop SB into the $100-190 area and pretty much end up with the every man and their mother buying Intel.

That would just ensure a glut of IB for Haswell.


...and I'm already anticipating the Haswell glut too.
Edited by thegreatsquare - 9/10/12 at 3:06am
    
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