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I had a droid x and the S3 is night and day above in how fluid it is. I think ICS over gingerbread is huge but the phone is just sweet. I can't believe how much faster 4G is too.


Nom Nom Nom NOm. Maybe verizon puts it on sale soon. Samsung Galaxy S3 now 99.99 for a limited time! (Not actually on sale).
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I had a droid x and the S3 is night and day above in how fluid it is. I think ICS over gingerbread is huge but the phone is just sweet. I can't believe how much faster 4G is too.


Nom Nom Nom NOm. Maybe verizon puts it on sale soon. Samsung Galaxy S3 now 99.99 for a limited time! (Not actually on sale).

Everyone will. With the tremendous success of the S3, there's only so many more people you can sell it to at $200-$280 (it's $280 with T-Mobile). $100 and it'll slam the 4S for the same price.
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Everyone will. With the tremendous success of the S3, there's only so many more people you can sell it to at $200-$280 (it's $280 with T-Mobile). $100 and it'll slam the 4S for the same price.



MUa ha ha haaaaaa, here's to waiting!
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Everyone will. With the tremendous success of the S3, there's only so many more people you can sell it to at $200-$280 (it's $280 with T-Mobile). $100 and it'll slam the 4S for the same price.

Personally Im waiting for the sammy galaxy relay. Most of the same hardware as the S3 but a physical slid out qwerty keyboard wheee.gif
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No, he's using the 1.5GHz S4 Krait (US Galaxy S3) and I'm, using the 1.4Ghz Exynos (Intl Galaxy S3).
Yep, gotcha thanks.
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And right, but your opinion is based on erroneous assumptions and therefore completely wrong and as erroneous as your assumptions.
No wink.gif
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For exmaple:

1. You say that the Quad Core is: "not useful for multitasking if it isn't doing more work than a dual-core can handle."

This is wrong. The Android OS from 4.0 the OS is totally geared towards multiple core systems, up to 4 cores currently. The workload of the system will be spread across all four cores as and when needed. For example you can have one core loading a website, another is downloading an app from the market and the other two are managing the OS and Launcher (and thus all the widgets you may have open) which gives a fluid experience.

2. You make this assertion that unless all four cores are doing more work than a dual core can handle, there is no advantage. Except for battery life, right? As we know, if a CPU is using 50% of it's capacity, or even 100% of it's capacity, it draws more power than when it's using 25% of it's capacity. So a dual core working at 50% uses more power than a quad working at 25%. Your assertion that a quad needs to be working hard to be of any use is again refuted in that it will draw less power than a dual core running the same load.

3. "for the majority of tasks it's still inferior to a dual-core with higher per core performance as far as I'm concerned." Try looking at it subjectively. Now, of course any CPU that has a better clock for clock performance is going to be better in that kind of situation. But the problem is that we're not running these dual's and quads in single core mode, clock for clock. We're running them on multi-core optimised operating systems made to take advantage of multiple cores at various different speeds.

The advantages of having a quad over a dual core are glaringly obvious to those that want to see them. It's not just about singled threaded performance on an app-by-app basis but it's the whole OS that you must account for.

1. If it isn't doing more work than the dual-core can handle then there's no reason why it should be more fluid. Have you even seen your device use more than 50% on each core simultaneously? That's not a rhetorical statement, I want to know.

2. Proof please. If this was true then can you explain why the Tegra 3 includes a fifth power saving core? If what you say is true would it not bring better power savings to run with much less utilisation on a more powerful core than to use a weaker core with much more utilisation?

3. The OS may be optimised for multiple cores but most apps aren't. At best they can utilise one or two. And then you've got some intensive apps and games which can be multi-threaded to take advantage of a quad-core.

So if a quad-core makes everything fluid does that mean dual-core droids aren't fluid when they multi-task? Are they choppy and laggy? I don't actually know but I strongly suspect the answer is no so I'm making a point.

Every single thing you do on a smartphone or tablet involves apps, and that's why they're the most important thing. Even if I believed what you said was true (which I don't) -- that quad-cores keep everything fluid even when the work they're doing isn't even utilising two cores and thus be handled by a dual-core, I'd much rather multi-task less and have better performance in apps.
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If the iphone 5 had a quad core cpu steelbom would be saying something completely different right now.
Funnily enough before the iPhone 5 was released I said it was very likely coming out with a quad-core A9, and I was still arguing with Rubers that a dual-core with a better architecture is the better choice. I was pleasantly surprised when I saw Apple did not go that route. So yeah, you're wrong.
Edited by steelbom - 9/14/12 at 6:29pm
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1. If it isn't doing more work than the dual-core can handle then there's no reason why it should be more fluid. Have you even seen your device use more than 50% on each core simultaneously? That's not a rhetorical statement, I want to know.

What do you mean "if it isn't doing more work"?

In what situation? Most probably the situation you'll conveniently pretend doesn't exist, correct?

Try unzipping large files, downloading torrents and playing real racing at the same time and see how a dual core compares to a quad core smile.gif.

(can you even do all that on an iPhone?)
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What do you mean "if it isn't doing more work"?
If the quad-core is using less than two cores total.
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In what situation? Most probably the situation you'll conveniently pretend doesn't exist, correct?
What?
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Try unzipping large files, downloading torrents and playing real racing at the same time and see how a dual core compares to a quad core smile.gif.

(can you even do all that on an iPhone?)
It's possible to run tasks in the background for a limited amount of time. So you could upload or download, unzip files (if there's an app for that which supports running in the background), and play games at the same time.

The dual-core would handle that just fine, though the quad-core would probably finish the download and unzip the files sooner depending on the clock speed and architectural differences between them.
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Yes, for crying out loud, YES. Now you're just making ridiculous concessions as below.

1. If it isn't doing more work than the dual-core can handle then there's no reason why it should be more fluid. Have you even seen your device use more than 50% on each core simultaneously? That's not a rhetorical statement, I want to know.

Yes, actually, all the time the cores go above 50% for a short period of time. Again, though, you make this erroneous situation around the fact that I have to use over 50% of the CPU most of the time for it to be worthwhile, yet I've pointed out many times that's not the case. Sometimes I've seen all four cores go to around 80-90% use.

What you still do not understand (I suspect because you don't use Android that often) is how Android uses the cores. If there is no reason to use all four cores then it will not use them. I open YouTube and only two cores are being used at around 10% each, if that. It has very low CPU usage. But wait, I get a text, the third core jumps up and receives the text without affecting the first two in the slightest.

Next situation, loading "The Sims Free Play" three cores are working away at around 20% each, then once the licence check has passed, all four cores kick in and load the game content with all four cores running around 50%. Once loaded only three cores run this game, running at around 50%.


2. Proof please. If this was true then can you explain why the Tegra 3 includes a fifth power saving core? If what you say is true would it not bring better power savings to run with much less utilisation on a more powerful core than to use a weaker core with much more utilisation?

Because people were worried about quad cores sucking power. And What NVidia have done here is, and If you had read about Tegra 3 you may this know this, the low power core (which draws low voltage) runs 100% of the time and never shuts off. It's supposed to run things like the system, OS, etc however once it begins to be stressed it kicks up another core and enables it, once that core gets to a certain level it enables another core and so on. The aim is never let the cores get stressed until all 5 are running and even then the 5th low power core is reserved for low-level system processes.

This actually is exactly what I'm saying about better power savings because if that low power core becomes stressed the system enables another core to lighten the load and thus save power.

As for proof? What proof do I need to give that isn't already common knowledge on an Overclocking forum? The more a CPU is being used the more power it draws.


3. The OS may be optimised for multiple cores but most apps aren't. At best they can utilise one or two. And then you've got some intensive apps and games which can be multi-threaded to take advantage of a quad-core.
So if a quad-core makes everything fluid does that mean dual-core droids aren't fluid when they multi-task? Are they choppy and laggy? I don't actually know but I strongly suspect the answer is no so I'm making a point.
Every single thing you do on a smartphone or tablet involves apps, and that's why they're the most important thing. Even if I believed what you said was true (which I don't) -- that quad-cores keep everything fluid even when the work they're doing isn't even utilising two cores and thus be handled by a dual-core, I'd much rather multi-task less and have better performance in apps.

See, again with this. Why does this not get through to you?

Ok, so you have an app only optimised for two threads (which is quite a lot of apps right now)? So you run that on the GS3 and it takes up cores 1 and 2. The system moves over processes over to another core. Why does this not make sense to you? The app then has all of the two cores it can use it itself while system processes use other cores available. Android, as of 4.0 does this automagically.

No, it doesn't make the dual core laggy, but it makes it use two cores for the app and the system. say, if the dual in that situation ended up using 60% of those two cores to run the app, the quad may only use 40% of the first two cores and 10% of the others.

And I bring it back to what I said about concessions you say "I'd rather multitask less and have better performance in apps" Yet the apps that don't utilise all four cores are pretty low level, Angry birds? Draw something? You aren't going to notice the difference between a dual and quad performance in those apps... But the system? It will know difference. It is stressed less and uses less battery.
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I find it funny that you make statements and take a long time answering to each other but cant give one single link to articles in Tweaktown, anandtech or toms hardware to prove what you are saying. Do proper research, please. Comon sense is not enough in my opinion.
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It's perfectly enough and to be honest. A CPU running at 50% uses more power than a CPU running at 25%. This is common knowledge.

I'm tempted to get my old Sony Ericsson C905 out and record loading stuff with dual core and quad core (I can disable two cores completely) to show the load and such. It'd take me ages to upload a video file, though. We'll see.
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