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post #11 of 20
9/9/12 at 2:18pm
That sucks that you have had such trouble with the pumps frown.gif

This is a perfect example of why, whenever I recommend that pump, I am so insistent that the heatsink and fan be purchased as well. As far as I am concerned, the heatsink + fan is not an optional accessory, but a necessity under ALL circumstances, specifically to prevent such issues.
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post #12 of 20
9/9/12 at 2:18pm
Fair enough, you are basing your opinion on personal experience. That counts.
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post #13 of 20
9/9/12 at 10:06pm
id love the pump to do better to use. it is a better one to use, but a dual 35x is the only
way id fly another ddc pump again. the failure is iminent and the fail-safe of the second
pump is the fall-back.

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post #14 of 20
9/9/12 at 10:11pm
Well, I would have to interject and say that if setup properly, the heatsink can make a huge difference. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't realize how much it matters, and consequently a bad reputation has developed for the pumps. I really think that the heatsink should be included in the cost :/
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9/9/12 at 11:41pm
^.. hurrummph!
especially with warranty concerns of disassembly

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post #16 of 20
9/10/12 at 12:33am
I've used the 35X for my build and I know for sure it can almost burn your fingers when run at full pace. The one that I had was a leaking one however, and the supplier I got it from had no more stock to replace it with nor did any other supplier within reasonable shipping distance.

So I got the 35X2 (duals) which have the same issue when run near full speed. However when run below 40 or 50% PWM they're just a little warm (rather than HOT). This works well for me as 2 in series at low rpm produces enough flow/pressure for my loop anyway.

I didn't realise that heat would actually cause issues with the pump however. If that is the case I'm surprised Swiftech doesn't sell it with a heat sink attached. Not doing so would be like selling a car with an optional radiator, then saying not to use the it without the radiator. I'd like to think Swiftech wouldn't do that.
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post #17 of 20
9/10/12 at 1:48pm
I agree, it should be included. However, $27 is a small price to pay for ensuring that your $200 pump setup has a long and happy life.
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post #18 of 20
9/17/12 at 12:51am
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Anyone curious how this turned out, here's some pictures (yes taken with a phone thinking.gif). I'll prolly post some stuff that i found was helpful during build process and some better quality pictures tomorrow, but for now its time for bed =P

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PS: Yes I changed plans a bit and ended up going w/ the 120 in front instead of the 240, I decided for my purposes w/ 1 GPU/CPU the 120+240 should do ok blushsmiley.gif)
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post #19 of 20
9/17/12 at 2:32am
I would say that worked out very well for you, very clean. How do you find the noise level of the AP2? I see one Quick Disconnect, on the 120 rad. Where is the other? On the res?
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9/17/12 at 11:41am
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I used just the single QDC on that lower 120 fitting, the extra valves I ordered was so that I would be able to drain from those 2 points when needed. I did have to drain the loop once already from the QDC after discovering one leak when I was testing it and it worked surprisingly well.

The AP2 to me is relatively quiet, I would compare it to about the same sound level as the Scythe GT AP-15 (the 1850 RPM ones), so on the speed controller its barely audible during normal operation (running at ~30-50% speed), up to a bit more whirring sound at full speed, but it certainly isn't too bad especially when the case is all closed.
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