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9/8/12 at 3:42pm

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You can't move closer to places like Mt Rushmore, as you know this is going to be used as a family camera too.

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9/8/12 at 3:44pm

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You never specified you needed a zoom. You should learn about framing and focal lengths to make a more informed decision.

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I tried to read the DSLR guide, gonna read it through again tomorrow when I get up.

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9/8/12 at 4:00pm

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Originally Posted by sub50hz

Not everybody needs 12 lenses and thousands of dollars in equipment. You basically ignored all of the OP's requirements and just suggested what you use/have used.

No i did not.
The scope of my email was the exact opposite from what you say.

I've explained where I come from, and how I think about stuff...when you invest in a camera with interchangeable lenses, you buy into the system that this camera is compatible with.
The fact that there are 100 available lenses for your camera, or even more importantly that there are 3-4 similar lenses that will get you in the ball park of what you want to do, in different prices is very important. Choices are good. For some having that kind of versatility is a curse because they will want to get those "12 lenses", others might choose wisely and go with 1-2 and be happy.

So, back to the OP requirements:
good, affordable camera, that can do macro / table top, and it is still easy to use (he mentioned he has no experience) as nice a family digital camera.
I focused in the somewhat more user-friendly operation of a mirror-less camera that will handle more like the compacts most users can pick up to pretty fast, while remaining sort of pocket-able.

I did not criticize your very specialized "digital rangefinder" suggestion. A great camera, but other than being small and having great IC, it applies to way less of the requirements.
The guy wants to take build-log / table top / product pictures - he is not trying to go Cartier-Bresson on us.
I just elaborated on my point of view, instead of quoting your post and nullifying your intentions.

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I did not criticize your very specialized "digital rangefinder" suggestion. A great camera, but other than being small and having great IC, it applies to way less of the requirements.
The guy wants to take build-log / table top / product pictures - he is not trying to go Cartier-Bresson on us.
I just elaborated on my point of view, instead of quoting your post and nullifying your intentions.

actually because OP did not specify need for zoom lenses or wide range of focal length the used x100 is an excellent suggestion.

if anything your suggestion to buy a olympus m43 camera is awful for a beginner in my opinion because looking at the prices of m43 glass would make someone probably not want to make that investment. while yes there is plenty of super affordable lenses out there you can put on a olypus m43 camera it doesnt help explaining that to a beginner that doesnt understand what you are saying and will be less likely to make a wise choice when picking out a lens to adapt.

the x100 would do just as good of a job taking photos that were described in OP. just because you dont use a rangefinder doesnt mean you should enforce your suggestion of canikon just because you think SLR cameras are the best and the only thing anyone should buy. thats what i got from your post.

x100 is just a different system as you would put it.

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I am not a native english speaker, and apparently me trying to put through a point in english is nearly impossible -

I do not enforce anything. I give my opinion. Just like you do.
I do not even suggest go Canikon - yet I get criticized that I try to "enforce" my opinion on it

Finally, I will not even try to find any rational behind you spending all this e-ink to "defend" the rangefinder "I don't use" - something that you ofc pulled out of thin air. Sorry that I don't list all the cameras I own or have pushed film through the last 25 years to make my opinion and advice worth some actual reading, instead of straight on smacking.

Interesting how this thread got so polarized for nothing and there are more posts trying to 'put me in the right track" - as apparently I am missinformed and the only one who does not care of feel the OP - than actually giving a piece of advice...keep up, and have fun.

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you dont seem to have any trouble getting your point across, so not natively speaking english is clearly not an issue.

your explanation of investing in a system is what i am confused about because you seem to focus only on one rather than trying to provide insight to the OP. yea its great that you suggested olympus. its helpful that you mentioned ability to adapt lenses. but for a beginner you didnt help the OP understand other than talking about how buying this stuff is investing in a "system" truth is its so easy to switch between canon or nikon or any other manufacturer. if anything going from digital to film is 2 different systems if you want to use that word or even 35mm versus medium format. but canon/nikon/pentax/olympus/all others are pretty much the same system for most people just different companies.

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Originally Posted by dtolios

I did not criticize your very specialized "digital rangefinder" suggestion. A great camera, but other than being small and having great IC, it applies to way less of the requirements.
The guy wants to take build-log / table top / product pictures - he is not trying to go Cartier-Bresson on us.
I just elaborated on my point of view, instead of quoting your post and nullifying your intentions.

actually because OP did not specify need for zoom lenses or wide range of focal length the used x100 is an excellent suggestion.

if anything your suggestion to buy a olympus m43 camera is awful for a beginner in my opinion because looking at the prices of m43 glass would make someone probably not want to make that investment. while yes there is plenty of super affordable lenses out there you can put on a olypus m43 camera it doesnt help explaining that to a beginner that doesnt understand what you are saying and will be less likely to make a wise choice when picking out a lens to adapt.

the x100 would do just as good of a job taking photos that were described in OP. just because you dont use a rangefinder doesnt mean you should enforce your suggestion of canikon just because you think SLR cameras are the best and the only thing anyone should buy. thats what i got from your post.

x100 is just a different system as you would put it.

To be honest I'd rather have some optical zoom, 4x-6x would be enough though.

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I am not a native english speaker, and apparently me trying to put through a point in english is nearly impossible -
That is not a real excuse. I'm not a native english speaker either, btw.
I do not enforce anything. I give my opinion. Just like you do.
I do not even suggest go Canikon - yet I get criticized that I try to "enforce" my opinion on it

Finally, I will not even try to find any rational behind you spending all this e-ink to "defend" the rangefinder "I don't use" - something that you ofc pulled out of thin air. Sorry that I don't list all the cameras I own or have pushed film through the last 25 years to make my opinion and advice worth some actual reading, instead of straight on smacking.

Interesting how this thread got so polarized for nothing and there are more posts trying to 'put me in the right track" - as apparently I am missinformed and the only one who does not care of feel the OP - than actually giving a piece of advice...keep up, and have fun.

I thank you for trying to give you my opinion, but as 2 other people in this thread say your opinion is wrong, I'm going to have to side with them. I don't know much about cameras, I'm trying to learn here. And for me learning is what the majority, not the minority, says.

I'd rather have a range of lenses, tbh; if I ever get into some other type of photography (astrophotography maybe) then I'll have a wider range of lenses to choose from.
But if that severly affects the quality of the cameras in my budget, I'd rather have smaller "systems", as dtolios would put it.

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How about a Sony NEX-3/5 EVIL?

I owned the NEX-3 not too long ago, and it was a neat little camera that took some great pictures, but I personally found it a little awkward to use what with it being 'nose heavy' and the fact that I have meat hooks for hands. It can be pocketed without the lens (invest in a quality screen protector) and there are various adapters for it that allow you to use some lenses from other manufacturers, along with Sony a-mount and naturally e-mount lenses. You should go demo one if you can. You can snag a used NEX-3 for right around $350 with its kit lens.

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Looks like they're some neat little cameras. Reading a review, thanks rep+

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[Samsung] 830 256GB	[Samsung] 840 500GB	[Sony] El cheapo CD reader	[Corsair] H100
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[Dell] U2312HM	[Razer] BlackWidow	[Corsair] AX750	[NZXT] Switch 810
Mouse	Mouse Pad	Audio	Audio
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[JVC] HA-RX700
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CPU	Motherboard	Graphics	RAM
[Intel] Core i7 3930K	[ASUS] RAMPAGE IV EXTREME	[EVGA] GeForce GTX 670 4GB SuperClocked+ with b...	[G.Skill] RipjawsZ 16GB 1866
Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Optical Drive	Cooling
[Samsung] 830 256GB	[Samsung] 840 500GB	[Sony] El cheapo CD reader	[Corsair] H100
Cooling	Cooling	OS	OS
4x [Corsair] Air Series SP120 High Performance	[Lamptron] FC6	[Microsoft] Windows 8 Pro x86-64	[Mint] Linux Mint 13 running on [Microsoft] HyperV
Monitor	Keyboard	Power	Case
[Dell] U2312HM	[Razer] BlackWidow	[Corsair] AX750	[NZXT] Switch 810
Mouse	Mouse Pad	Audio	Audio
[Corsair] M60	[IKEA] Table.	[ASUS] Xonar DX	[Creative] T3130
Audio
[JVC] HA-RX700
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