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Thanks for the quick replies, I'll find out all the answers to these questions tomorrow when I talk to him. As I do not know anything about Minecraft or what exactly he plans to do.
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im just going to leave this comment here, incase i cant find it in the future. also, when i get my main rig, im planning on getting some ram+212+ for my athlon build, 4 cores and 16gb ram for around $600-700.
 
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The hardware requirements for a mincraft server will be all over the place depending on what sort of demands there are. Some "mincraft servers" might host many games at the same time, some might host single games with LOTs of members, or some combination of the above.

In reality, a simple mincraft server for a single world, for maybe a dozen players, could probably be hosted very effectively on an old AMD64 system with 2GB RAM. On the other hand, a system that is hosting say, 40+ games, each of a relatively low player count, would do well on a multi CPU interlagos or magny-cours based system with ECC memory and ~64-128GB RAM. (a core per server would be nice). On the other hand again, a server that is hosting a single game, or just a few games, with very high player count, may be best off back on the consumer level, on an intel build with an appropriate number of cores for the number of games being hosted, the fast per core speed being important to keep up with the demands of a very busy game.

Back to single player... minecraft will run smooth as silk even with the high rez texture packs on HD resolution, with a semi respectable dual core, and a mid-level GPU.... An athlon II Regor/Rana type on the AMD front, or an intel Pentium Sandy Bridge dual core (or i3), paired with a decent GPU, something like a GTX460 or AMD7770 or better will be perfectly fine. In fact, less would probably suffice.

Perhaps, you could show us what machine (premade) your little brother had in mind to begin with, and we can show what can be done in the same budget as a custom to provide some contrast.

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Originally Posted by Kavster12 View Post

Hold on. Is he playing Minecraft, hosting a server OR playing Minecraft on his own server that he wants to set up?

Playing Minecraft, Hosting the server
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Originally Posted by jach11 View Post

OK so this is the information we need.
Will it be running bukkit,tekkit,or canarymod? If so how many plugins will you be running?
How many players on average?
Its all dependent on what your gonna be running.
Is this just a local home thing? Or something for a community?
Are you comfortable using linux?
How many players will be playing?
Whats your upload speeds?
If its just something for home and your not running any of the listed API's then a dual core with 2-3GB of ram dedicated to the server should be fine.

Currently only have 5-6 players, but this is due to Hamachi- he's tried port forwarding and I can't seem to get it right. It is a Tekkit server, default settings as far as mods/plugins go. He'd like to have the option of having more players in the server. Working on finding out his uploadspeed (waiting for speedest result) \

He also wants to be able to record gameplay without lag. If reasonable, he wants the server to be 24/7.

I'm also finding out if he plans on playing other games besides Minecraft in the future.

No linux.
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The hardware requirements for a mincraft server will be all over the place depending on what sort of demands there are. Some "mincraft servers" might host many games at the same time, some might host single games with LOTs of members, or some combination of the above.
In reality, a simple mincraft server for a single world, for maybe a dozen players, could probably be hosted very effectively on an old AMD64 system with 2GB RAM. On the other hand, a system that is hosting say, 40+ games, each of a relatively low player count, would do well on a multi CPU interlagos or magny-cours based system with ECC memory and ~64-128GB RAM. (a core per server would be nice). On the other hand again, a server that is hosting a single game, or just a few games, with very high player count, may be best off back on the consumer level, on an intel build with an appropriate number of cores for the number of games being hosted, the fast per core speed being important to keep up with the demands of a very busy game.
Back to single player... minecraft will run smooth as silk even with the high rez texture packs on HD resolution, with a semi respectable dual core, and a mid-level GPU.... An athlon II Regor/Rana type on the AMD front, or an intel Pentium Sandy Bridge dual core (or i3), paired with a decent GPU, something like a GTX460 or AMD7770 or better will be perfectly fine. In fact, less would probably suffice.
Perhaps, you could show us what machine (premade) your little brother had in mind to begin with, and we can show what can be done in the same budget as a custom to provide some contrast.
Regards,
Eric

Refer to the above post for now, I'll find out some more of your questions (like the premade he had in mind).
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Playing Minecraft, Hosting the server
Currently only have 5-6 players, but this is due to Hamachi- he's tried port forwarding and I can't seem to get it right. It is a Tekkit server, default settings as far as mods/plugins go. He'd like to have the option of having more players in the server. Working on finding out his uploadspeed (waiting for speedest result) \
He also wants to be able to record gameplay without lag. If reasonable, he wants the server to be 24/7.
I'm also finding out if he plans on playing other games besides Minecraft in the future.
No linux.
Refer to the above post for now, I'll find out some more of your questions (like the premade he had in mind).
well i would recommend to get a cheap vps. Alot of companies can help you out with hosting certain games.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BiG StroOnZ View Post

Playing Minecraft, Hosting the server
Currently only have 5-6 players, but this is due to Hamachi- he's tried port forwarding and I can't seem to get it right. It is a Tekkit server, default settings as far as mods/plugins go. He'd like to have the option of having more players in the server. Working on finding out his uploadspeed (waiting for speedest result) \
He also wants to be able to record gameplay without lag. If reasonable, he wants the server to be 24/7.
I'm also finding out if he plans on playing other games besides Minecraft in the future.
No linux. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Refer to the above post for now, I'll find out some more of your questions (like the premade he had in mind).

I used to host a minecraft server from my sig rig and everyone else could play it on it without an issue, I would always get weird lag spikes, but others would not. I moved it to my server and the problem went away. I would suggest 2 separate machines if possible.

With your port forwarding issue, some ISPs will block a particular port range, I use 50000 since the default minecraft port is blocked.

For minecraft optimization, you want to run it in a ram disk. I used one in windows (IMDisk, i think) And he will need to write a backup script to periodically back up the server incase of an outage.

This is what I would do for the server $290 server (Click to show)
PCPartPicker part list

CPU: Intel Pentium G850 2.9GHz Dual-Core Processor ($69.99 @ Mac Mall)
Motherboard: Biostar H61MLC Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($49.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Corsair 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial V4 32GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($45.87 @ Amazon)
Case: Apex PC-389-C ATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 300W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($34.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $289.82
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
I would run it under linux, ubuntu or linux mint will be easiest for non-linux users. SSD or HDD, wont make a difference, I chose the 32GB SSD because it is the cheapest option. And if it is only 10 people, the map should not be that big.

Adding a gaming pc for the client in a bit $400 client build (Click to show)
PCPartPicker part list
CPU: Intel Pentium G850 2.9GHz Dual-Core Processor ($69.99 @ Mac Mall)
Motherboard: Biostar H61MLC Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($49.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: GeIL Pristine 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($62.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($119.98 @ NCIX US)
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Power Supply: Corsair 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($41.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $398.91
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)

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I used to host a minecraft server from my sig rig and everyone else could play it on it without an issue, I would always get weird lag spikes, but others would not. I moved it to my server and the problem went away. I would suggest 2 separate machines if possible.
With your port forwarding issue, some ISPs will block a particular port range, I use 50000 since the default minecraft port is blocked.
For minecraft optimization, you want to run it in a ram disk. I used one in windows (IMDisk, i think) And he will need to write a backup script to periodically back up the server incase of an outage.
This is what I would do for the server $290 server (Click to show)
PCPartPicker part list
CPU: Intel Pentium G850 2.9GHz Dual-Core Processor ($69.99 @ Mac Mall)
Motherboard: Biostar H61MLC Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($49.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Corsair 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial V4 32GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($45.87 @ Amazon)
Case: Apex PC-389-C ATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 300W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($34.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $289.82
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
I would run it under linux, ubuntu or linux mint will be easiest for non-linux users. SSD or HDD, wont make a difference, I chose the 32GB SSD because it is the cheapest option. And if it is only 10 people, the map should not be that big.
Adding a gaming pc for the client in a bit $400 client build (Click to show)
PCPartPicker part list
CPU: Intel Pentium G850 2.9GHz Dual-Core Processor ($69.99 @ Mac Mall)
Motherboard: Biostar H61MLC Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($49.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: GeIL Pristine 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($62.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($119.98 @ NCIX US)
Case: Apex PC-389-C ATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($41.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $398.91
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)

A lot of good information here. +rep.

So your saying, if I turned this into a gaming build (which he now wants it to be / asked me to future proof it (stretched budget to $900) That he even with an i5-2500k and decent video card he might possibly get lag spikes?
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Ok so in my opinion that graphics card is a little overkill for just Minecraft but having experience with little brothers I know that he will eventually move on to other games so yeah I guess that build is good biggrin.gif
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for $900 here's what i would buy, also if you ever change your mind about overclocking, no additional charges.
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CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($62.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card ($247.86 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $841.29
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there are rebates too, so w/o rebates this costs $881.29. if you can pay $50 more, which should make very little difference, you can get a GTX660Ti/HD7950. you can always get a cheaper case and use stock cooler, which then you should be able to get a 660Ti.
 
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What are the specs. of the Alienware he was going to purchase for 600$? I assume that it is used, at that price point. But it'd be nice to have an idea as to what we need to "beat".
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