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[the guardian] Nokia's Windows 8 phones fail to impress the markets

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"It's difficult to believe that Nokia and Microsoft, two dominant players in the market, are struggling to get a foothold in the smartphone space," said telecoms expert Ernest Doku at price comparison site uSwitch. "It can't be underestimated how important it is that the latest Lumia models capture the public's imagination and quickly. This could well be the last throw of the dice for the Finnish manufacturer."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/sep/05/nokia-unveils-smartphones

It sad that ms wants to destroy nokia with it's ill-fated wm8 push. They are a legit manufacturer, who would probably doing pretty well if they had some decent android models out there. Not to mention ms could actually make some money off the phone market in that case.
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Ballmer said: "This represents the largest opportunity available for software developers today. I bet you now the next app developer to hit it really, really big will be a developer on Windows."

Just had to lol at this part
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If you could leave your opinion bashing outside the news post wink.gif

WP8 should and maybe will be great at phones/tablets.
Enterprises will be grateful to MS if they will be decently priced and giving admins less headaches vs android phones.
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WP8 will be great but nearly no consumer actually likes Microsoft, they just believe it's either Windows or spending a whole lot more for a Mac which may or may not be compatible, the bad releases of Windows plus the bugginess of the earlier 16/32bit releases turned consumers right of MS in general, plus I hear no end of customers complaining about the Ribbon or 2010 being buggy.
    
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If you could leave your opinion bashing outside the news post wink.gif
WP8 should and maybe will be great at phones/tablets.
Enterprises will be grateful to MS if they will be decently priced and giving admins less headaches vs android phones.

Does not compute. Microsoft long ago gave up trying to make things easy to use. All they ever do is try to corner the market using their existing market share to bludgeon opponents.

Let's not forget, windows mobile use to have a huge chunk of the market and made microsoft billions (they charged makers 30 dollars a phone for it). Then android came in and charged nothing, was easier to use, and *gasp* more stable and more customizable, and was developing a decent app store.

And like that windows mobile as a platform died.

Given the early lead Microsoft had, all they had to do was provide a compelling feature set (they were getting 30 dollars a phone after all) at least for the business community who could afford to pay a little more. They didn't and blew it.

Does anyone remember Windows-mobile based PDA's either? Or early Microsoft Tablet computers (where you flipped a laptop screen over and wrote on it)?

Microsoft has had plenty of time to offer better versions of tablets and iphones and pda's. They were offering such devices long before Apple or Google or Samsugn ever did. They were even successful in the case of windows mobile, at least for a little while.

But they blew it because they didn't innovate or provide a good user experience for the price.

What has changed that they are going to suddenly take the world by storm now?
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I still use my Windows based PDA (HP/Compaq iPAQ) that I got back in 2002, nearly a decade before the iPad came to being.

To think that Microsoft is a "new comer" to this is laughable.
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I can sense blind hatred in that post, a lot of it. If MS is not easy to use products than this makes linux impossible?

My environment and "small" world.
Random office worker has 0 knowledge of customization. 0 /care for cost, most get their smartphones from company and for company needs. I doubt anyone know or care how much vendors had to pay to m$.
I have yet to see one phone that will do this, and I got same brand/OS/model phones that work and 1 of 11 doesn't connect in activesync mode... how about that? I got 2 tablets that acted like that, out of around 150... Not some specific tablets that only one person had out of those 150 people. One was galaxy tab2 and second is archos 10" "something". So... yeah...

All they care is their documents. Being able edit and do same as what they do on PC. Their experience is determined by office work not xda-friendly.
I won't take w8 phone for my personal use for sure. But we are waiting for new phones released on w8 before we'll get S3 batch for upgrading some of our phones.


P.S. I'm curious why you'd assume that android is leading in that market, rim has lost the battle for business phone?
But ok.
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Dude, are you kidding? Whats up with putting your opinion in the title thread? The lumia 900 is an amazing phone. If it is released in the next few months i'll likely replace my iphone 4 with it.

WP hasn't gained much traction yet - HOWEVER that is not because it is a bad product. Having used a couple of windows phones (7) they are excellent.
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Edited by Rotsae - 4/1/14 at 11:08pm
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I don't understand what this "news" post is about. We all already know that nokia has done terribly with their lumia phones in the last lil while; The 920 is pretty much the last ditch effort to save Nokia. There's nothing new here. I think it's great that they've done bad with their customer base by release 8 on new phones instead of old lumia 800 and 900 (as predicted by man). This will force many people to actually buy new 920s etc to up their sales. Nokia is a company I hate to see fail. I agree though, that their marriage with microsoft wasn't in their best interest and it could very well be the death of them as a smart phone pusher.

http://www.businessinsider.com/elop-windows-phone-7-is-a-big-fat-retail-flop-2012-6
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/19/nokia-windows-phone-adoption
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/23/monday-note-nokia
http://www.gsmarena.com/comscore_android_still_dominates_apple_still_rising-news-4756.php

Tons of negative press for nokia.

I think the OP article is mainly written for the traders for analysis instead of for us to debate whether average none business people consumers will purchase the new wp8 or not.



No matter what you're going to be hard pressed to find many people buying 920s in the US. That's just the reality of things.
Edited by connectwise - 9/9/12 at 6:14am
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I actually thought WP7 was pretty good. I played around with a Nokia Lumina 900 once and it's a great phone. If your a Windows user and buy into the Microsoft ecosystem, it seems like it would be a good competitor to the Apple ecosystem (I love integrated ecosystems). I wouldn't use one myself though, since I don't like Windows 8, Live mail, ect. Still though, it seems simple to use and has a good looking UI. I'm really hoping WP8 can catch some of the market and not fail, or Google launches an Android desktop OS/ Nexus laptop line to round off their Android ecosystem.
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