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Originally Posted by Z Overlord View Post

the only phone with an aluminum unibody compared to crappy plastics...
not to mention the iPhones always have the best PPI (the 4s just got dethroned by the GSIII in PPI, but the new iPhone will promptly take it back)
...Not sure if serious. wink.gif That unibody does a great job of keeping the phone from breaking easily..Oh wait.
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the only phone with an aluminum unibody compared to crappy plastics...
not to mention the iPhones always have the best PPI (the 4s just got dethroned by the GSIII in PPI, but the new iPhone will promptly take it back)

Yea because I have never seen a broken iPhone.........rolleyes.gif

Pretty much every person I see with an iPhone has a crack in their screen, broken casing or some other form of damage.

My HTC desire HD has literally been dropped hundreds of times and there is not one blemish on the screen (not even a scratch) even though I have dropped it on the screen side dozens and dozens of times. None of the hardware has broken either. Wifi, Bluetooth etc. all work. But when i see people with iPhones, a good percentage of them are damaged and by good percentage I mean close to half if not more.

Three of my friends have cracked their screens this year alone. A number of people I work with have cracked screens or have had to take their iPhone in to get parts replaced because they broke something when they dropped it. The build quality of the iPhone is pretty poor if I am to be honest. Especially the screens. They need a beveled edge or something around the screen like the Desire HD to help prevent damage to the screen.

I'm not saying those plastic cases are any better either because I have had a friend crack his screen and break the charging port on his Galaxy Nexus. But to suggest that the iPhone has superior build quality to all other phones.......just take a look at all your friends with iPhones and tell me how many have cracked screens. Its a load of poop. The iPhone is just as brittle and fragile as phones with plastic casing (eg. Samsung Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy1/2/3 etc.)
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I for one am in need of an upgrade soon and am considering getting a WP8 phone instead of another Android. Why? Because the resizable tiles in WP8 offer more customization than you can have on Android. I'd rather have a homescreen of tiles that provide the amount of information I choose them to based on their size than a homescreen of icons that don't provide any information.

So does that mean it is now more customizable than your desktop, because "tiles show more information?" Windows phone doesn't even let you modify the browser or search engine. It is more akin to iOS than android.
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doh.gif I usually respect people's opinions; however, the way you phrased it, coupled with the fact that it's in the OP, makes your opinion impossible to respect.
Indeed

It's not just an opinion when it's supported by a lot of evidence, which i've already cited. Rim had more than 200% of windows mobile sales in q2 2012, to repeat myself. maybe you're a midwesterner (american). I live in the us and people here seem to equate objectivity more to politeness than presenting all the facts and making a good case. you're the one with the (as yet) unsupported opinion.
Edited by perfectblade - 9/9/12 at 7:27pm
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I like the lumia but having Android was more important for me... an Android Nokia phone would be a great fit for the marketplace. I'm not sure why Nokia feels they need an exclusive relationship with MS.
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It's not just an opinion when it's supported by a lot of evidence, which i've already cited. Rim had more than 200% of windows mobile sales in q2 2012, to repeat myself. maybe you're a midwesterner (american). I live in the us and people here seem to equate objectivity more to politeness than presenting all the facts and making a good case.

What part of
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It sad that ms wants to destroy nokia with it's ill-fated wm8 push.
is fact? That "Microsoft wants to destroy Nokia" is certainly not fact. It's actually plainly false. You keep referring to "windows mobile" which doesn't help your case, because it makes you seem ignorant. Windows Phone 8 has yet to be proven ill-fated, and while the market speculators aren't impressed with Nokia's offering, that certainly doesn't extrapolate to a hard and true case against wp8. Again, that's your conjecture. The bottom line is that if you're going to be posting news, keep your opinion out of the OP if you're going to express it in a gratuitous and inciteful (and not at all insightful) way.

I appreciate objectivity very much. In fact, I esteem those who provide objectivity. I hate to break it to you, but you absolutely do not provide objectivity. It's borderline sad that you are even attempting to portray yourself as objective.
Edited by flamingoyster - 9/9/12 at 7:33pm
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It sad that ms wants to destroy nokia with it's ill-fated wm8 push. They are a legit manufacturer, who would probably doing pretty well if they had some decent android models out there. Not to mention ms could actually make some money off the phone market in that case.

How does Microsoft make money if Nokia sells Android? You're obviously confused.
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What part of is fact? That "Microsoft wants to destroy Nokia" is certainly not fact. It's actually plainly false. You keep referring to "windows mobile" which doesn't help your case, because it makes you seem ignorant. Windows Phone 8 has yet to be proven ill-fated, and while the market speculators aren't impressed with Nokia's offering, that certainly doesn't extrapolate to a hard and true case against wp8. Again, that's your conjecture. The bottom line is that if you're going to be posting news, keep your opinion out of the OP if you're going to express it in a gratuitous and inciteful (and not at all insightful) way.
I appreciate objectivity very much. In fact, I esteem those who provide objectivity. I hate to break it to you, but you absolutely do not provide objectivity. It's borderline sad that you are even attempting to portray yourself as objective.

to be more succinct, ms doesn't want to destroy nokia. they just want to push wp at any cost, and they don't care if they destroy nokia in the process. and so far they've failed hugely, and it seems to late for them to turn it around. but hey maybe if they throw like $10 billion or something at it, they'll double their share and be able to compete with rim! in the last quarter, they only increased their share of sales by .3% though
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How does Microsoft make money if Nokia sells Android? You're obviously confused.

they hold a large stake in nokia. so it would benefit them indirectly if nokia began profiting again (also they wouldn't have to keep subsidizing their losses)
Edited by perfectblade - 9/9/12 at 9:05pm
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So does that mean it is now more customizable than your desktop, because "tiles show more information?" Windows phone doesn't even let you modify the browser or search engine. It is more akin to iOS than android.

1) What does my computer desktop have to do with my phone homescreen? Nothing, that's what. WP8's resizable tiles are however more customizable than what my current Android phone offers.

2) I don't understand why you sarcastically dismiss WP8's tiles showing more information. Wouldn't you rather see the first few lines of your inbox on your homescreen rather than an icon that says "mail" with a bunch of empty space around it? I would, which is why I'm considering getting a WP8 phone to replace my current Android one.

3) Why would I want to change which search engine the browser uses? Goggle or Bing there is no difference nowadays. It's not like they are forcing you to use Ask Jeeves or something.
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Well for one, all indications of WP8 based on the previews that have popped up recently are that it is easier to use, more stable, and more customizable than the latest version of Android. So if that's, as you correctly claim, how Android was able to gain so much market share then why can't WP8 gain market share back if it now has the advantage in these areas?
I for one am in need of an upgrade soon and am considering getting a WP8 phone instead of another Android. Why? Because the resizable tiles in WP8 offer more customization than you can have on Android. I'd rather have a homescreen of tiles that provide the amount of information I choose them to based on their size than a homescreen of icons that don't provide any information.

They are called Widgets. I have one to show me the weather on the 'main' page, and another to show me my emails, and... I could go on, but it's really no different than WP. And yes, I can resize Widgets, Icons, and the Icon Grid as I chose, I am not locked into the standard 4x4.
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I actually thought WP7 was pretty good. I played around with a Nokia Lumina 900 once and it's a great phone. If your a Windows user and buy into the Microsoft ecosystem, it seems like it would be a good competitor to the Apple ecosystem (I love integrated ecosystems). I wouldn't use one myself though, since I don't like Windows 8, Live mail, ect. Still though, it seems simple to use and has a good looking UI. I'm really hoping WP8 can catch some of the market and not fail, or Google launches an Android desktop OS/ Nexus laptop line to round off their Android ecosystem.

Android has one too, it's called Google. Your phone is, if you like, bound to Chrome, Gmail, Youtube, Picasa, Google+, Google Drive, and all the other Google stuff. The difference is Android's is cross-platform, even to Linux.

I don't need Windows, or Mac, to play nice with my phone (looking at you iTunes). All I need is an Email address, and all my contact data, be it Gmail, Google+, or phone Contacts are all synced. I can send web pages I have open from Chrome to Android, or even between multiple computers. Heck, I'm pretty sure I can install Apps on my phone from Chrome. (EDIT: yup, just installed Solitaire on my phone via my computer. Probably works from any browser as long as you're logged into the Play store). And this is just standard features stuff.

So ya, integrated systems are cool. Thankfully all 3 'major'** vendors (Apple, Microsoft, Android) offer them, so there is choice to go around.

** (Blackberry may be bigger than MS, but come on, when was the last time you heard someone even talking about a blackberry, let alone bragging.)
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Windows needs to, and will do whatever they need to do to get a decent slice of the pie in mobile. They could afford to give their mobile operating system away for next to nothing, which would make it very appealing for phone manufacturers. Now that Microsoft has a serious product to compete with Apple and Google, they just need to convince phone-makers to use it. More phones with Windows Mobile, means more incentive to develop applications, which means more incentive to buy one because we all know that the OS itself shows just as much promise as Android or iOS.
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