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Our current audio/video system in the house has:
_ Philips CD player
_ Philips amp
_ 2x JBL LX 500
_ Sammy 32" (ue32c6000)

Recently our 25 years old amplifier has decided it's time to retire frown.gif
So I'm on the market looking for a decent amp to power my 2 JBL LX 500. What I would like to have is a Sonos-like system which allows me to store audio track on a NAS and play them on the JBLs. An app on my Android phone/tablet will be used to select the tracks.

I got 2 alternatives:

1. Something like the Zone Player 120, one component
2. Something like the Zone Player 90 + an amp (yamaha as500), two components

As you can see, Sonos already answers my needs, though it's a bit on the pricey side. Is there anything which can a. play music stored on a NAS & b. be controlled by an Android device?
Which one of the 2 alternative above is the best one?

The TV will be access the NAS for movies and play them directly. Is there a way to play the audio coming from the TV to the speakers?

I also need a double bay NAS which supports DLNA. Any suggestions?

I will do my research as well, I'll post my results here

cheers for the help smile.gif

FYI
I havent got a sub, yet.

EDIT
The JBLs are the 4ohms version
Edited by hrockh - 9/12/12 at 1:26pm
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NAS
. DLink DNS 320 (not reliable)
. Western Digital My Book Live Pro (not available in enclosure-only)
. Synology DS212j
. QNAP TS-212
Edited by hrockh - 9/12/12 at 1:26pm
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MPD. It runs on Linux. You would need some small Linux box to use as the MPD host. Even an old crappy laptop can work. There are two free Android apps to control MPD. It's very, very good. All of the high dollar playback devices are using some kind of MPD implementation.

http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Install

The only cost would be getting a machine to run MPD and your time.

I like the Cambridge Stream Magic 6 for a stand alone media server. I'm not sure of its cost compared to Sonos, the Cambridge is $999 but it includes the same internals as the DacMagic +.
http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=952
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by Greg121986 View Post

MPD. It runs on Linux. You would need some small Linux box to use as the MPD host. Even an old crappy laptop can work. There are two free Android apps to control MPD. It's very, very good. All of the high dollar playback devices are using some kind of MPD implementation.
http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Install
The only cost would be getting a machine to run MPD and your time.
I like the Cambridge Stream Magic 6 for a stand alone media server. I'm not sure of its cost compared to Sonos, the Cambridge is $999 but it includes the same internals as the DacMagic +.
http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=952

cheers for the old-laptop-with-linux alternative, I didnt think of that. Though my truly old Dell inspiron 6000 is way too loud and consumes too much power to be used as a NAS.
also it doesn't accept 3.5" drive, not major issue now, but I would like to have the flexibility to use that form factor in the future.

The Stream magic 6 is £700, a lot more expensive than what Sonos is rolleyes.gif I'm looking for a cheaper alternative.

I have listened a couple of NAS which could fit my needs.. what do you think of them?
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post #5 of 21
For a NAS, you can't go wrong with a Synology.

If it were me, I would get a 5.1ch+ receiver with DLNA capability so you can listen to your music without needing your TV. Also, make sure it has the uncompressed blu-ray decoding (almost all do now: TrueHD, DTS Master) so when you hook up a blu-ray, you can take advantage of the full uncompressed audio. Your TV already has built-in DLNA video streaming, so you're set there as long as you get an optical cable and plug it from your TV out to receiver in for things like Dolby/DTS decoding and such from normal TV and your streamed videos.

Now all that's left is to decide if/when you want to have surround; you don't need it, but with this setup you could add it any time you wanted to.

The exact internet-based and streaming network capabilities of receivers vary greatly, so do some looking around before deciding.

If you're looking for the best possible network-capable experience, there is no substitute for an HTPC. The best ones you have to build yourself (likely with a Silverstone HTPC case), but there are some pre-made ones as well. That said, you would still need to buy a decoder/processor and amp or receiver because computer sound cards simply cannot compete in terms of DACs (you would use the HDMI out from the PC with digital audio signal to be decoded at the receiver, then video pass-through to your TV).
post #6 of 21
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let's clarify how will I use my system:
1. listen to music storage in my NAS from my speakers, utilizing an Android phone/tablet to choose the song to play. tv off.
2. watch normal tv, with audio through the speakers
3. plug a usb stick into the Sammy, watch a film, audio through the JBLs.

with that being out of the way, the receiver idea makes a lot of sense.
let me dig into it, I'll come back biggrin.gif

FYI I currently study in the UK while my parents live in Italy. This system will stay at my parent's. So a easy-and-forget system is vital
an HTPC, while a great device which I personally would go for, it's just useless for my parent's use.
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Be sure to check Denon, they do a lot with network streaming stuff and other features. I know they support the whole phone app and air play stuff.
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. Yamaha RX V473 €303
. Yamaha HTR 4065
. Onkyo TX NR414 €360
. Denon AVR 1713 €440

Our last amp lasted 25 years. So I don't mind spending a little more money for a better receiver.
I have listened quite a few which could suits me (5.1, ability to read audio files from NAS).
Which do you think would be the best audio-wise?
and function-wise?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hrockh View Post

. Yamaha RX V473 €303
. Yamaha HTR 4065
. Onkyo TX NR414 €360
. Denon AVR 1713 €440
Our last amp lasted 25 years. So I don't mind spending a little more money for a better receiver.
I have listened quite a few which could suits me (5.1, ability to read audio files from NAS).
Which do you think would be the best audio-wise?
and function-wise?

Now your getting into personal preference territory...

Usually the Onkyo and Denon cram the most features, gadgets, gizmos, and tech under the hood compared to others; but it will depend on model. You'll probably want to thoroughly research all of the models you picked and especially look for forum entries of people who have owned two of them and compared them directly. Denon is probably the most active at releasing firmware updates and what not to fix issues that they find.

As for sound quality, it's going to depend also on how your specific speakers sound paired with the receiver. I doubt any stores will have those exact JBLs around to audition with, so you may call ahead and find some A/V stores with dedicated listening rooms that don't mind if you bring your own speakers in to audition with.

Your JBL LX 500s came in both 4ohm and 8ohm versions; which do you have? I've read that they are pretty power-hungry, so that would make want to lean more toward Denon because the majority of Yamaha and Onkyo tend more toward musicality and features respectively.

This is by no means 100% for sure, because everything differs by model, but usually the companies focus on:
- Yamaha: musicality options, clean power (old Yamahas used to favor brute power like Denon, but that's changed)
- Onkyo: budget, feature pack (usually Onkyo is your best bang-for-buck receiver in that it crams all the newest tech with a good-enough amp at a great price)
- Denon: feature pack, brute power
- Marantz (Denon sister): musicality options, clean power

Alternatively, you may decide to get a receiver that offers pre-amp out to use for the feature pack (various decoding tech, etc) and couple it with a higher quality separate amp, like Outlaw.

----
Just as heads-up, I wouldn't consider any of these to be a 25 year quality receiver. These fall into the tech category and give you tons of functionality along with really good sound, but you'll want to look elsewhere if you'd prefer to go with the absolute best sound quality and really long life usefulness. The catch is that most of the really high quality preprocessors and amps are bad keeping up with new technologies.

I believe Rotel is one of the few mid-way makers that tries to balance between staying up-to-date with tech and providing long-term better than par sound/amp quality. Otherwise, you start getting into McIntosh, Krell, etc.

[Edit]
Don't forget to check on Harmon Kardon, but their models seem to be hit and miss.
Edited by Electrocutor - 9/12/12 at 12:09pm
post #10 of 21
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thank you for the amazing reply, it does help me a lot.

4 ohms, so they are easier to drive. I'm not looking for a receiver which will last forever.
Our old philips amps has been broken for a couple of years, this demonstrate my parent's interest in this kind of things biggrin.gif

I will have a look at which of them offers the most intuitive user interface on the Android side. As Denon offers good sw support, I may go for that one.
Let's see the reviews on play store

EDIT
Marantz app -> Not good.
Denon App -> Not good
Onkyo App -> not bad
Yamaha -> Good, supports tablets, the best one out of them (based on feedbacks)

p.s.
NAS.. well the DLINK feedbacks on the internet aren't that great, but the price is awesome. Leaning towards the Synology, as reliability is more important than price.
what do you think about the QNAP TS-212? the price is almost the same as the Synology, slighly cheaper

pps
what is the difference between the 2 Yamaha models?
. Yamaha RX V473
. Yamaha HTR 4065
Edited by hrockh - 9/12/12 at 1:55pm
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