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This is exactly what I was wondering, how the SR1 and AX series compare.

I bought two 480 SR1 rads for quiet watercooling and these XSPC AX rads interested me...

What makes you say they are not as good as the SR1? And by how much? Are they louder?

The higher the FPI, the stronger the fans need to be to push air through and the more impedance air will experience along the way (which translates to noise both from the fan and from forcing air through a restricted space). Lower FPI, then, means less resistance for air passing through and more efficient use of low-speed fans. Putting low speed fans on high FPI radiators makes performance suffer, where putting high speed fans on low FPI radiators is essentially wasted effort. Martin and Skinee have demonstrated the SR 1 consistently beating out higher-density radiators when fan speeds are kept at 1000rpm and lower; above that, their performance drops off pretty quickly.

The HW Lab's SR 1 only has 9 FPI so it's very easy (comparatively) to push air through the rad; I believe most of the high-performance radiators are in the 20+ FPI range. The AX series at 16 FPI is still significantly tighter a space than the SR 1. XSPC's RX series also has very low FPI, and generally these two are the only two radiator series people speak of when it comes to very quiet watercooling.
    
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generally these two are the only two radiator series people speak of when it comes to very quiet watercooling.


There's a couple of low fpi rads that will beat both sr1 and rx. Thermochill TA, still a killer and the Nexxos UT60 and Monsta, serious mosters. SR1 is a one trick pony, it is great at sub 1000rpm but loses efficiency quickly. RX on the other hand is still capable till 1500rpm. The TA and Nexxos rads have performance curves that are practically straight all the way up to 2000rpm.
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Actually the NeXXos UT60 scales incredibly well up to 3000rpm, which is absolutely amazing, and it may continue to scale higher but no one tests that high.

And for me, water cooling isn't about silent computing, it's about getting exponentially better cooling at the same or lesser noise levels than with air.
   
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I plan on extensive Blu Ray watching so silence is what I am after, but I want my performance cake too for the other non movie tasks. Can I mix rads in a system? Fire up fans on the rad I need for the job??

Perhaps my CaseLabs Merlin case holds sooo many rads with the Pedestal and all, that I really can just buy any rad I want, cus the rad real estate will not be the limiting factor, and will make my system cool and fan controlled silent no matter if I stick with the SR1s or go for these AX rads or go for something else entirely. I am taking around two-four 480s here.

What should I do? Keep my dual SR1 480s or sell them for something else? I really like these AX rads (looks, removable core for painting and cleaning, ETC) but I am not sure they are the right ones either. And the SR1 one trick pony comment really has me questioning...

You know the real problem is I have no idea really, I am just reading opinions and numbers. I've yet to watercool still. I wish I could test a few out on my system like. I already have the dual 480 SR1s, sitting new in the box, I could keep those, order in some AXs, and see which I would like to sell. I dunno.

So I want silence, but also scaling performance too for when I want to rock out. Any thoughts on what the hell I should do? The one thing that will not change is the 120mm form factor and the fan controlled GT AP-15 fans. And with my upcoming CaseLabs purchase, assume rad space will not be an issue, cus it won't be!!
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I plan on extensive Blu Ray watching so silence is what I am after, but I want my performance cake too for the other non movie tasks. Can I mix rads in a system? Fire up fans on the rad I need for the job??
Perhaps my CaseLabs Merlin case holds sooo many rads with the Pedestal and all, that I really can just buy any rad I want, cus the rad real estate will not be the limiting factor, and will make my system cool and fan controlled silent no matter if I stick with the SR1s or go for these AX rads or go for something else entirely. I am taking around two-four 480s here.
What should I do? Keep my dual SR1 480s or sell them for something else? I really like these AX rads (looks, removable core for painting and cleaning, ETC) but I am not sure they are the right ones either. And the SR1 one trick pony comment really has me questioning...
You know the real problem is I have no idea really, I am just reading opinions and numbers. I've yet to watercool still. I wish I could test a few out on my system like. I already have the dual 480 SR1s, sitting new in the box, I could keep those, order in some AXs, and see which I would like to sell. I dunno.
So I want silence, but also scaling performance too for when I want to rock out. Any thoughts on what the hell I should do? The one thing that will not change is the 120mm form factor and the fan controlled GT AP-15 fans. And with my upcoming CaseLabs purchase, assume rad space will not be an issue, cus it won't be!!

If you already have the rads, I'd suggest keeping them. Like you said, you've tons of room -- why not add a single higher-FPI rad and keep its fans under a controller, increasable to the full 1850RPM of the AP-15 when you need it?

I'm not sure how noisy the AP-15's would be on a high FPI rad at low RPM - but if your controller won't go low enough, wire a way to switch 'em off.

Then, you'll have a ton of cooling performance when you want it quiet and a little extra 'oomph' when you need a higher performance rad.
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That's what I was thinking, best of both worlds... All in one loop. Keep my two 480 SR1s and use a switchable third 360 or 480 high density rad for when I do intensive stuff. I think I'll do that. The GT AP-15s can do sub 1000RPMs ok fan controlled right?? I never under volted them yet...
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I'd like to see this pitted against the Magicool Elegant, which has always been near the top if not at the top of sub-1000RPM fan testing among other slim rads (important if you like to keep things quiet). Of course, given that the Black Ice SR1 beats it in that same RPM range, the choice between the 2 should be obvious. tongue.gif
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Btw, this site is a complete joke.
This. It's beyond me why anyone would trust their results as far as water cooling gear testing goes.
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So I want silence, but also scaling performance too for when I want to rock out. Any thoughts on what the hell I should do? The one thing that will not change is the 120mm form factor and the fan controlled GT AP-15 fans. And with my upcoming CaseLabs purchase, assume rad space will not be an issue, cus it won't be!!


The AX is supposed to compromise price, for thinness while retaining performance. I only really see it viable for space limited builds. Don't have room for that 60mm rad plus fan while retaining top flight performance? We have the answer for you, AX.


You will have a Caselabs case. Maybe you should look at the Monsta or UT60 instead if the SR1 isn't cutting it anymore or you want change.
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The AX is supposed to compromise price, for thinness while retaining performance. I only really see it viable for space limited builds. Don't have room for that 60mm rad plus fan while retaining top flight performance? We have the answer for you, AX.
You will have a Caselabs case. Maybe you should look at the Monsta or UT60 instead if the SR1 isn't cutting it anymore or you want change.

I know, I just really like the removable core... oh well. Perhaps I should just keep the dual 480 SR1s. Perhaps add a third denser rad like I said to mix things up. I'm sure I'll have plenty of cooling power then.
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