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We bought an h80 for our main rig a month or so ago, but it just isn't cutting it. I've tried different fans and mounting locations and reapplying the tim several times, but I can't get decent temps. For a while it was 65-68C while folding, but I just switched to v7 and now the temps are up to almost 75C, so I'm thinking its time for an open loop

What should I expect to spend to get sub 60C temps while folding? Will a rasa kit do this or should I go fully custom? I'd also like the possibility of adding the gpu to the loop in the future, or at the same time if I can do it affordable. I'm thinking $300 if possible, if not let me know a good starting budget. I may switch cases as well because my current one has a tiny window and I want to show the loop off. Thank you for any input
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On second thought i will probably keep my current case for now, funds arent gonna be as much as i thought. If i remove my hardrive trays and relocate my ssd and hdd, i have tons of room for a 240 mm radiator in front in push pull.

My main concern now is getting the cpu temps down, but I want to eventually wc the gpu, so will the raystorm rx240 be enough to cool my cpu and gpu to under 60c while folding (of course with an added gpu block) If its not enough for both I can always add a seperate radiator for the gpu down the road, i have room for a 120 mm radiator in the rear or another 240 mm (not in push pull) on top
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Nothing will ever beat a custom loop(Phase change, LN2 etc.. will obviously.)
If you have money to blow buy a custom loop but i dont believe you will ever get below 60c with a GPU in the loop. Maybe not even without a GPU.
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I can actually forget about water cooling the gpu all together, its not too terribly warm at its current clock so i can get a good air cooler and get the temps i want with it.

As for a cpu loop, id love to do a custom loop, what would i be looking to spend on one. Can a decent one be built for under three hundred dollars?
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Originally Posted by labnjab View Post

I can actually forget about water cooling the gpu all together, its not too terribly warm at its current clock so i can get a good air cooler and get the temps i want with it.

As for a cpu loop, id love to do a custom loop, what would i be looking to spend on one. Can a decent one be built for under three hundred dollars?

if your going to setup a custom loop, try setting up a loop for each component, for example a loop for the CPU and a loop for the GPU, but that costs quite a bit of $$$!

Heres something basic for a full loop which includes your GPU

Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 Full Copper 480mm Triple Radiator
Swiftech MCP655 Vario
Push/pull configuration of Delta/Panaflo/San Ace fans if you dont really dont care about noise but you want all performance...GT AP15's if you want a quiet performance rig
Tygon tubing
Reservoir
Lamptron fan controller
EK supremacy CPU waterblock
suitable GPU waterblock
Barb/compression fittings
distilled water

I dont know how much thats going to cost in $$$, i live in the UK

I hope that helps
post #6 of 11
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Originally Posted by labnjab View Post

I can actually forget about water cooling the gpu all together, its not too terribly warm at its current clock so i can get a good air cooler and get the temps i want with it.
As for a cpu loop, id love to do a custom loop, what would i be looking to spend on one. Can a decent one be built for under three hundred dollars?
For under $300? I dont think you will be able to get a good watercooling loop with that unless someone knows other wise, you can always go with the XSPC kits like the RX240 which are apparently very good! thumb.gif
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We bought an h80 for our main rig a month or so ago, but it just isn't cutting it.

well a 4.8 is a hot overvolt to begin with.
a XSPC RX 240 will be edging the best bet for the cash. i'd almost opt for a RX360 since
this is a 24/7 folding machine. the 240 will be just enough, but not relying on any
headroom for ambient increases. the raystorm block is a great block for novice to enthusiasts.
a 1.375vcore+ is hard to control for heat, unless you have hardware for the control.
most would suggest a 240 and that'd get you a tick under the 60° desired. the 360 would offer
more surface area and fan to cool a lil deeper into the lower temperatures.

im currently opting to go a thick 360 over a gtx240 for a lower temp of 50° or less.
currently at 64° on 7-volt p/p fans (quiet) 60° on 12v fans p/p.
i5-2550k @ 4.8 1.380vcore ambient 31° arc midi case.

hopefully from a RASA to heatkiller and gtx 240 to 360 UT60 will make it happen...

airdeano
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Originally Posted by computerjunkie View Post

if your going to setup a custom loop, try setting up a loop for each component, for example a loop for the CPU and a loop for the GPU, but that costs quite a bit of $$$!
Heres something basic for a full loop which includes your GPU
Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 Full Copper 480mm Triple Radiator
Swiftech MCP655 Vario
Push/pull configuration of Delta/Panaflo/San Ace fans if you dont really dont care about noise but you want all performance...GT AP15's if you want a quiet performance rig
Tygon tubing
Reservoir
Lamptron fan controller
EK supremacy CPU waterblock
suitable GPU waterblock
Barb/compression fittings
distilled water
I dont know how much thats going to cost in $$$, i live in the UK
I hope that helps

Thank you for the list of parts. I priced out a few things and its exceeded our budget, lol, but it gives me something to go by for what I need for part.

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Originally Posted by Socks keep you warm View Post

For under $300? I dont think you will be able to get a good watercooling loop with that unless someone knows other wise, you can always go with the XSPC kits like the RX240 which are apparently very good! thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by airdeano View Post

well a 4.8 is a hot overvolt to begin with.
a XSPC RX 240 will be edging the best bet for the cash. i'd almost opt for a RX360 since
this is a 24/7 folding machine. the 240 will be just enough, but not relying on any
headroom for ambient increases. the raystorm block is a great block for novice to enthusiasts.
a 1.375vcore+ is hard to control for heat, unless you have hardware for the control.
most would suggest a 240 and that'd get you a tick under the 60° desired. the 360 would offer
more surface area and fan to cool a lil deeper into the lower temperatures.
im currently opting to go a thick 360 over a gtx240 for a lower temp of 50° or less.
currently at 64° on 7-volt p/p fans (quiet) 60° on 12v fans p/p.
i5-2550k @ 4.8 1.380vcore ambient 31° arc midi case.
hopefully from a RASA to heatkiller and gtx 240 to 360 UT60 will make it happen...
airdeano

Yaah 4.8 is pretty warm, especially at 1.46 vcore. Since I have a tight budget, it looks like one of the pre-built kits is my best bet, I'd love a custom loop, just dont have the funds to do it right, the prebuilt will get me started in open loop so when I have more funds down the road I can build a fully custom loop. I would like to go with a 360mm radiator, but I can't fit one in my case, although I can probably buy a case that will fit a 360 and the 360 kit for under $300
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post #9 of 11
I'm confused, your GPU "isn't that warm" but your CPU at 30C away from TJ-Max at 100% load IS too warm??wth.gif What is the significance of sub 60C temp vs. a mid 60 to low 70 temp?? That small difference is not going to make your chip last years longer as either are great load temps given you are running OC.cheers.gif
post #10 of 11
My loop keeps my 2500K nice and cool. The EX series of Rads will beat out the RX if your fans spin above ~1000 RPM and they are nice and slim so they are easier to fit in a lot of cases. Even at similar voltage to what you are running I had a 4-5 degree F water to air delta on any given day which is pretty good.

I basically have a RASA kit that I pieced together. I got a block for free and then picked up the EX240 and the pump resovior combo.

This kit:
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=33588

Has a raystorm block (better block) a D5 pump resovior combo (better pump) and an EX240 which should work out nicely at is $240.

Keep in mind that any air cooling (even a water loop exchanges with air) is limited by the ambient temperature in the room. It gets cool here at night and my temps drop quite a bit even with high voltage. However during the day it still gets in the 80s and my temps start going from low 60s upto the mid 70s by noon or 1.
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