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  • 34% (89)
    EVGA SuperClocked GeForce GTX 680 2GB
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    MSI Lightning Radeon HD 7970 3GB
  • 6% (16)
    GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 680 2GB
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    SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB
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post #81 of 356
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Originally Posted by Bruennis View Post

People make these threads harder than they should be. It is widely accepted that the Radeon HD 7950 is the best dollar performance card in the current market. There is no arguing this as it is a sub $300 graphics card that can offer 670-, 680-, and 7970-like performance. Stock for stock, it is slightly behind the 670 and obviously behind the 7970. Using conventional overclocking methods, an overclocked 7950 will match if not outdo an overclocked GTX 670 for less money as Tahiti chips scale much better once overclocked vs. Kepler chips. Clock for clock, it will be about 4% slower than its bigger brother; the 7970. This is only true under the assumption that both the 7950 and 7970 can reach the same clocks. Some 7950s like mine will outshine some 7970s, 670s, and 680s but results will vary depending on samples.
Now between the 670 and 7970 with all things being equal, the 7970 will win more than it loses but even so the performance margin held by the 7970 is so small it is perfectly reasonable to go with the 670. Keep in mind though that the two are priced similarly.
The 680 in my opinion is the outlier. It is priced higher than the 7970 and the GHz Edition yet it offers equal performance. All things being equal with both overclocked to their relative maximums, the 680 MAY win more than it loses but once again that performance margin is so miniscule and trivial you really have to ask yourself if its worth spending more when cheaper cards will offer you similar performance for cheaper.

Thank you for the information.

From the above i can assume that the follow is true?

1. 680 and 670 are equally future proof
2. 7970 is equally as powerful as the 670 but it is slightly more future proof

Also when it comes down to resolution does the 7970 preform just as well as the 670 on 1080p. I keep hearing that the 7970 is behind on the lower ones and pulls ahead on the higher ones. I do not plan to go higher so this is a feature i do not need. Also can someone point out to me some of the features the 7970s offer? as in nvidia has physX and an advanced AA system. What does the 7970 bring to that department?

I have no loyalty to either side of this debate let me make that clear. I have a green team desktop and a red team laptop. I just want to buy the card that will fit my needs and run top notch games as a stand alone card for a few years.
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I wont be adding monitors, I really do not like looking at more then one. I also hate to game on huge screens.. odd..

I'm the same way I don't like big monitor either, a 24" is more than big enough for me!
post #83 of 356
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i'm pretty set on Nvidia now so the question lands on the 680 2gb or 670 4gb . Is the 670 4gb more future proof then the 680 even tho its still holding the same bus size?
A GTX 670 4GB has more memory bandwidth than a GTX 680 2GB. If you're set on the MOAR memory thing I am going to come right back and suggest a 7970 tongue.gif I would get the GTX 680 as currently with your setup you do not need the 4 GB of memory and it will perform better than the 670 4GB. Future proofing is a futile effort in the tech industry. You do not know what is around the bend. Buying NVIDIA's current gen flagship card is a good way to ensure you are set for awhile in terms of "future-proofing" And upgrading a GPU is painless.

so a gtx 670 with 4gb has more memory bandwidth than a gtx 680 with 2 gb even when they both have the same 256bit bus? interesting....

    
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so a gtx 670 with 4gb has more memory bandwidth than a gtx 680 with 2 gb even when they both have the same 256bit bus? interesting....

how does that work? from what i understand, adding more memory to the same size bus is like adding more cars on a freeway. You still have the same amount of lanes just more cars to back it up?
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post #85 of 356
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so a gtx 670 with 4gb has more memory bandwidth than a gtx 680 with 2 gb even when they both have the same 256bit bus? interesting....

You're correct, I phrased that wrong. Memory bandwidth is a factor of the memory bus and memory clock speed. However the point remains, the GTX 670 may have more memory, but it is useless to OP when he is only using a single 1080p monitor.
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post #86 of 356
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is this accurate? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hymrdh71tA

seems pretty loud
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is this accurate? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hymrdh71tA
seems pretty loud

Yes that is accurate. Pretty much all stock coolers are quite loud.
I had 2 MSI GTX560 Ti Twin Frozr in my last rig and I never heard the fans. Most of the noise I heard was from my HDD spinning. They oc'd like demons too!! That's why I really like MSI cards with the Twin Frozr coolers. I'm also a bit of an Nvidia fanboy. I used to really like the Radeons when the were ATI but recently have gone over to team green.

All that being said if I was building a system right now I would use the 7970 lightning. I really like that Mpower mobo too. They just look great and the Military Class III components are great.
post #88 of 356
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Yes that is accurate. Pretty much all stock coolers are quite loud.
I had 2 MSI GTX560 Ti Twin Frozr in my last rig and I never heard the fans. Most of the noise I heard was from my HDD spinning. They oc'd like demons too!! That's why I really like MSI cards with the Twin Frozr coolers. I'm also a bit of an Nvidia fanboy. I used to really like the Radeons when the were ATI but recently have gone over to team green.
All that being said if I was building a system right now I would use the 7970 lightning. I really like that Mpower mobo too. They just look great and the Military Class III components are great.

Yeah i'm most likely going with the Mpower mobo. I am still just trying to decide between the evga super clock 680, the 7970 lighting, and the sapphire viper X.

The 680 seems like a better value to me because its a top end card. It is as much as the 7970 lighting but it comes with borderlands 2, That saves me 60 bucks right there. But of course the 3gb of ram is still sitting in my brain so.
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post #89 of 356
7970 3 GB. The extra memory will definitely be needed.

And then you can get this later on if you need some serious air overclocking. smile.gif
http://www.gelidsolutions.com/products/index.php?lid=1&cid=17&id=52

Edit: not having enough memory really kills fps performance. I should know, as I used to play crysis: warhead with a 768 mb 9800 gtx+.
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Hmmm. That was some heavy claims made with nothing but speculation as proof. Since a lot if not all of that was counterintuitive to me, the reviews I've read and the experience I have, I would have appreciated some cold hard evidence.

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Agreed. In fact, in most reviews it is the NVIDIA cards that fair better in the minimum and avg fps, not AMD.

Again, as I stated in my post, almost every review site out there doesn't show long term performance. They run around a single area for a short period of time, record the results, and present them as fact. When in reality this isn't indicative of real world performance. It doesn't put enough load on the system to start filling the VRAM or even for the game to have to cache data from the primary storage device, both factors impacting overall performance. At best the average review can give you an idea on what to expect, but they aren't the be-all-end-all.

A typical "benchmark" for Skyrim is a 30 second run around Whiterun, wooooo, stressful! Not to mention most review sites people base their limited data on are using out-dated AMD drivers and there have been significant performance increases with the latest available drivers.

EDIT:

I suppose I should mention, again, that my point and recommendation isn't off of current game performance. The GTX 680 and AMD 7970 are so close they tie, it just depends on the game. My recommendation is being based on the fact that the OP is looking to get 4 years out of his choice, and there is no arguing, 2GB with 256-bit bus is going to struggle in a year and beyond.

Nvidia went from a 3GB-384Bit configuration, that AMD is at now, in the GTX 580 to what you see now for one reason. It is called planned obsolescence, they need a low point between the 500 series and the 700 series. Something to anchor the 700 series with on release and give people that purchased the 600 series a reason to upgrade. They learned that many of us stuck with our 400 series cards and skipped the 500 series, because there wasn't a massive enough difference between them to warrant an upgrade. This left Nvidia with large stocks of 500 series cards, which is a situation Nvidia wants to avoid. To do this you create product separation even if it makes you look a little silly to some people.

A small prediction: Nvidia will release the 700 series spring 2013 and it will use a 3GB and 384-bit configuration, and Nvidia will raise this up on high as a performance gain over the 600 series. Claim it as an advancement and roll in the cash that is thrown at them by people, followed by the release of Maxwell in 2014 which will use a 4GB-512bit.

EDIT 2:

I can't stress enough the point of longevity! We are already hitting limits in current generation games of 2GB at 1080P, admittedly in only a few situations, but it is only going to get worse from here. People in this thread have made recommendations based solely on what they see RIGHT NOW, and not what is coming. Just go and look at some of the early next generation games, it is crazy what they are doing.

Furthermore, the amount of blind fanboyism in this thread is a little daunting. Anyone that just wants to come right out and say "Nvidia is better" or "AMD is better" without any reasoning is just detrimental to the discussion.
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