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If it beats out the Intel SB in price (easy to do) and PERFORMANCE (main thing here) then I'm dumping Intel ASAP at the first official sale on Vishera. In the past AMD coolers >>> Intel coolers, so that's savings for non-overclocked machines.
Not getting my hopes up though. AMD has priced bulldozer like i5-2nd gen.
Econ 101: supply and demand dictates that more demand with fixed supply = pricier
FX-8120 is priced at ~$140-170 which is attractive til you see i5-2400, i5-2500k for like $20 more. The 2500k is 60$ more than the 8120
Fx-8150 is priced at $180-220ish which is just plain lame when the i5 is about $170-220ish. You can find i7-2700K for $230 at Microcenter, i5-3450 for $150. Yea and the majority do not live close enough to get the low prices and teh 8120 clocks just as well as a 8150.
What AMD needs to do to make me buy an AM3+ Piledriver FX CPU:
* Give AMD stock cooler with heatpipes and full copper base ala Phenom II X4, Phenom II X6 (easy since Bulldozer had this) This is a poor reason. The stock heatsink wont cool any highly overclocked cpu.
* Price it at $180 or less MSRP Will not happen and dont be a cheapskate.
* Outperform i3-2100, i3-3220/i3-3225, and i5-2400 (if possible?) at stock on single thread (most apps)
* Outperform i5-2500K and Phenom II X6 1100T in multithread /integer apps (8 cores have to count for something?)
* Release well before Haswell (6 months+) Mid October is the predicted release date.
* Unlock all FX Piledrivers and not use massive power under OC This was a top issue that was addressed.
* Play better with Radeon GPUs than Intel (easy to do with the shift to GCN and HSA, but it may only be Steamroller onwards)
It's a tall order.
I'm awaiting the day AMD has higher performance per dollar once more.
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As long as i don't get bottleneck and my game plays silky smooth and i pay -300 less or more cash than on an Intel, then im already satisfied. biggrin.gif
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haha i just need them consume less energy and have like 10-15% better than zambezi thumb.gif
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If PD doesn't beat or at least come to close to i7 2600k, then I'm going Haswell!
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If PD doesn't beat or at least come to close to i7 2600k, then I'm going Haswell!

Intel don't intend to make awesome improvements for Haswell except for in the IGPU, according to the news section.
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Intel don't intend to make awesome improvements for Haswell except for in the IGPU, according to the news section.

The real reason, is becuase x86 ipc improvements are running out of steam. Every chip cycle their are less and less things to improve. Also with most programs having a ipc, or around 1.7-1.9, there is little to gain except in synthetic benchmarks are very single purpose built code for servers.

Thats why AMD push to a higher clocking uarch, the era of gaining lots of performance through uarch improvements like decoder, int,alu,fpu are basically comming to a close.The x86 isa is hitting a wall, one ARM will soon hit to. So the only way to get more performance, it to clock higher, or find ways to create software with higher amounts of IPC
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The real reason, is becuase x86 ipc improvements are running out of steam. Every chip cycle their are less and less things to improve. Also with most programs having a ipc, or around 1.7-1.9, there is little to gain except in synthetic benchmarks are very single purpose built code for servers.
Thats why AMD push to a higher clocking uarch, the era of gaining lots of performance through uarch improvements like decoder, int,alu,fpu are basically comming to a close.The x86 isa is hitting a wall, one ARM will soon hit to. So the only way to get more performance, it to clock higher, or find ways to create software with higher amounts of IPC

Or to forget silicon and move on to quantum computing and biological processing power thumb.gif
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Intel don't intend to make awesome improvements for Haswell except for in the IGPU, according to the news section.
The people commenting in the news section tend to not know what they're talking about. The performance improvements on the CPU side of Haswell are very real. There haven't been any estimates from reputable sources as to what kind of % improvement Haswell will bring, but I personally expect Haswell to provide larger gains over Sandy Bridge than Sahndy Bridge did over Nehalem.

Doubling of the L1 and L2 cache bandwidth, TSX (see the AnandTech article I posted in the hardware news section), larger L2 TLB, better branch prediction...

While Sandy Bridge may have done some more revolutionary things on the hardware side (physical register file, µop cache), Haswell will offer incredible improvements over the software side. A simple recompile for Haswell will bring tremendous gains.
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