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I can't see why you're skimping out on costs.. In this dog eat dog world of games / server hosting, you need to spend money to make money.
Or you'll end up with stated above, a good fire hazard and larger loss of money. rolleyes.gif
*Fills in a Risk Assessment form for you*
Also, take into consideration running costs, Both Internet and Electrical. I had a friend who was planning to use 8x 1U Dell rack mountable servers he acquired of Craiglist for basically peanuts. After doing the cost markup (Lives in Seattle and gets cheaper rates than most due to where/who he works for) it wasn't viable by a long shot.
So for casual hosting for friends and family (mostly none profit, or very little) stick with using your 2400.. If you're going to use this as a business opportunity you want to profit from. Invest the extra money, it'll pay dividends in the long run.

I really can't afford server hardware, a budget of 500-600 euros is what I can spare right now. Obviously I want to go with a build that lets me host the most servers for that budget and I doubt that getting actual server hardware for 600 euros will be powerful enough to beat this FX8150 build.

I get where you're coming from but it's not possible yet. Gotta start somewhere biggrin.gif
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I really can't afford server hardware right now, a budget of 500-600 euros is what I can spare right now. Obviously I want to go with a build that lets me host the most servers for that budget and I doubt that getting actual server hardware for 600 euros will be powerful enough to beat this FX8150 build.
I get where you're coming from but it's not possible yet. Gotta start somewhere biggrin.gif
Mhmm.. I definitely agree with you there.. I brought / built a dual core Llano for hosting a couple of game servers myself. Ran TF2, Terraria, Minecraft and a few others things just perfectly for friend usage.
Managed to drop lucky and got the entire of Takara for £175 from a friend. Was going to use her for a streaming and recording rig, Ended up running a 4 threaded router with Debian console only as the platform. So I have a fully setup router and VPN and a weightless Linux OS of which to host games from xD

All I can has is good luck, definitely aim higher and go for a 9xx Motherboard, if possible borrow a GPU temporarily to get an OS install then do everything via RDP. Saves you the money of buying a GPU.
 
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Mhmm.. I definitely agree with you there.. I brought / built a dual core Llano for hosting a couple of game servers myself. Ran TF2, Terraria, Minecraft and a few others things just perfectly for friend usage.
Managed to drop lucky and got the entire of Takara for £175 from a friend. Was going to use her for a streaming and recording rig, Ended up running a 4 threaded router with Debian console only as the platform. So I have a fully setup router and VPN and a weightless Linux OS of which to host games from xD
All I can has is good luck, definitely aim higher and go for a 9xx Motherboard, if possible borrow a GPU temporarily to get an OS install then do everything via RDP. Saves you the money of buying a GPU.

Yeah I'm using my i5 2400 server for pretty much everything at the moment. Running 2x teamspeak, 3x cs:go, 1x webserver and terraria on the side. biggrin.gif

I'll keep the GPU in though. Had several times when I blocked myself from accessing my current server via RDP (i.e. wrong firewall settings), luckily it has a GPU in it so I'd just hook it up to a monitor and un-screw the settings. tongue.gif

I'll deffo be going for the gigabyte 970 mobo.

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I'd go with the 8120 instead of the 8150 for the Extreme 3.
Normally, I recommend the Extreme 3 in a heartbeat for ANY chip because, despite being a 4+1 phase board, it has a ridiculously good quality layout. However, throttling issues have been reported on the Extreme 3 and the Asus M5A88-M (also with good quality VRMs) with the 8150 on stock. This has thus led me to establish that the power-hungry 8150 needs a 6+2/8+2 phase layout at the very minimum to operate optimally.
I'd recommend this to go with the 8150 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128519

Thanks for that, I'll go with the UD3.

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I've got two more questions:

- Would it be worth getting a SATA 3 SSD over a SATA 2, since the OCZ Vertex 2 120GB SATA 2 is 50% cheaper then the 120GB SATA 3 version.
- How well would the FX8150 fare against a 2600k in terms of hosting. Would the 8150's 8 true cores be more efficient then the 4C/8T 2600k in this particular case ?
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I've mixed feelings for the OCZSSD2-2VTXE120G.. Seen a lot of bad rep flying around for it, which I can only assume that it reflects into why the price is so cheap for the drive.
A high end branded SATAII SSD would be more than suffice for what you're doing. I can't see you doing insane loads in terms of read/write running a few CSGO servers.. But like discussed, maybe it's wise to play it safe and jump into SATAIII range.

I have an Intel 320 80GB SATAII waiting and ready to go into Takara (Paid peanuts again) but it's current SATAII / 5400 2.5" drive is still more than enough for now.
Similarly to you I run; Teamspeak, Terraria, Team Fortress 2, Minecraft, InspIRCd (VPN'd round robin), Apache, Tinc VPN and a bundle of other networked software from that 5400 drive.
Load times aren't particularly nasty either. xD

8150 vs 2600k in terms of server and game hosting ability. I truly have no idea what so ever. Still a fan of cores over threads but that's not a debate worth getting into here. xD
 
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I've mixed feelings for the OCZSSD2-2VTXE120G.. Seen a lot of bad rep flying around for it, which I can only assume that it reflects into why the price is so cheap for the drive.
A high end branded SATAII SSD would be more than suffice for what you're doing. I can't see you doing insane loads in terms of read/write running a few CSGO servers.. But like discussed, maybe it's wise to play it safe and jump into SATAIII range.
I have an Intel 320 80GB SATAII waiting and ready to go into Takara (Paid peanuts again) but it's current SATAII / 5400 2.5" drive is still more than enough for now.
Similarly to you I run; Teamspeak, Terraria, Team Fortress 2, Minecraft, InspIRCd (VPN'd round robin), Apache, Tinc VPN and a bundle of other networked software from that 5400 drive.
Load times aren't particularly nasty either. xD
8150 vs 2600k in terms of server and game hosting ability. I truly have no idea what so ever. Still a fan of cores over threads but that's not a debate worth getting into here. xD

I'm using the Vertex 2 120GB in my own server already and haven't had any troubles with it whatsoever. I just don't know if it's worth investing in a SATA 3 SSD since the only benefit there is to the CS:GO servers is loading maps faster.
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Mhmm.. I definitely agree with you there.. I brought / built a dual core Llano for hosting a couple of game servers myself. Ran TF2, Terraria, Minecraft and a few others things just perfectly for friend usage.
Managed to drop lucky and got the entire of Takara for £175 from a friend. Was going to use her for a streaming and recording rig, Ended up running a 4 threaded router with Debian console only as the platform. So I have a fully setup router and VPN and a weightless Linux OS of which to host games from xD
All I can has is good luck, definitely aim higher and go for a 9xx Motherboard, if possible borrow a GPU temporarily to get an OS install then do everything via RDP. Saves you the money of buying a GPU.

Yeah I'm using my i5 2400 server for pretty much everything at the moment. Running 2x teamspeak, 3x cs:go, 1x webserver and terraria on the side. biggrin.gif

I'll keep the GPU in though. Had several times when I blocked myself from accessing my current server via RDP (i.e. wrong firewall settings), luckily it has a GPU in it so I'd just hook it up to a monitor and un-screw the settings. tongue.gif

I'll deffo be going for the gigabyte 970 mobo.

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Originally Posted by PunkX 1 View Post

I'd go with the 8120 instead of the 8150 for the Extreme 3.
Normally, I recommend the Extreme 3 in a heartbeat for ANY chip because, despite being a 4+1 phase board, it has a ridiculously good quality layout. However, throttling issues have been reported on the Extreme 3 and the Asus M5A88-M (also with good quality VRMs) with the 8150 on stock. This has thus led me to establish that the power-hungry 8150 needs a 6+2/8+2 phase layout at the very minimum to operate optimally.
I'd recommend this to go with the 8150 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128519

Thanks for that, I'll go with the UD3.

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1 x Fractal Design Core 3000 € 69,90*
1 x Antec VP Power 450W € 45,49*
1 x Corsair 16 GB DDR3-1333 Kit € 83,90*
1 x OCZ OCZSSD2-2VTXE120G € 59,90*
1 x GigaByte GA-970A-UD3 € 89,90*
1 x Asus EN210 SILENT/DI/1GD3/V2(LP) € 28,49*


I've got two more questions:

- Would it be worth getting a SATA 3 SSD over a SATA 2, since the OCZ Vertex 2 120GB SATA 2 is 50% cheaper then the 120GB SATA 3 version.
- How well would the FX8150 fare against a 2600k in terms of hosting. Would the 8150's 8 true cores be more efficient then the 4C/8T 2600k in this particular case ?

 

Great build, I'm loving my game/web/media server based on a 8150 + H80 @ 4.5 GHz.

 

I would say go with something like an Intel or Samsung drive though if you can.  As for Sata 2 vs 3, just go 2 and save some money.

 

Since you're running internet based things, that extra read and write speed will only get data in to memory faster, people on the other side of your connection will not see a difference at all.  Maybe if you started getting 5 or more really big game servers running with lots of users you could worry about it.

 

Now for the 8150 vs 2600k.  If you overclocked them both to provide the same performance, the Intel would be more efficient and use less power.  It's been a while since I've done any higher-end builds so I'm not sure on current prices of Intel and AMD processors and motherboards.  Most of the time though, the short-term savings of AMD vs. Intel are easily outmatched by the cost-savings of running the more efficient Intel setups.

 

In the end it all comes down to how much you will be using the server at full load, which honestly won't be very often, and personal preference.  I'll give you a little background form my work.  Even though there is always a better option out there, no matter what you are working with (computers, network equipment, audio/video equipment, mechanical equipment, company vehicles) you will always have to deal with personal preference at some level.

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Great build, I'm loving my game/web/media server based on a 8150 + H80 @ 4.5 GHz.

I would say go with something like an Intel or Samsung drive though if you can.  As for Sata 2 vs 3, just go 2 and save some money.

Since you're running internet based things, that extra read and write speed will only get data in to memory faster, people on the other side of your connection will not see a difference at all.  Maybe if you started getting 5 or more really big game servers running with lots of users you could worry about it.

Now for the 8150 vs 2600k.  If you overclocked them both to provide the same performance, the Intel would be more efficient and use less power.  It's been a while since I've done any higher-end builds so I'm not sure on current prices of Intel and AMD processors and motherboards.  Most of the time though, the short-term savings of AMD vs. Intel are easily outmatched by the cost-savings of running the more efficient Intel setups.

In the end it all comes down to how much you will be using the server at full load, which honestly won't be very often, and personal preference.  I'll give you a little background form my work.  Even though there is always a better option out there, no matter what you are working with (computers, network equipment, audio/video equipment, mechanical equipment, company vehicles) you will always have to deal with personal preference at some level.

Thanks for the feedback!

The FX-8150 is about 100 euros cheaper then the 2600k here, so going for the 8150 seems logical to me. What also seems logical to me is that the 8150 is the better pick for hosting servers/services, 8 true cores should beat 4 cores 8 threads right ?

What kind of temps are you getting with the 8150 oc'd to 4.5 by the way?
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Thanks for the feedback!

The FX-8150 is about 100 euros cheaper then the 2600k here, so going for the 8150 seems logical to me. What also seems logical to me is that the 8150 is the better pick for hosting servers/services, 8 true cores should beat 4 cores 8 threads right ?

What kind of temps are you getting with the 8150 oc'd to 4.5 by the way?

 

No problem.

 

As for temperatures, I'm not quite sure.  I think while Folding in Windows on that same machine I was hitting about 55 C max temperatures under full load with just the H80.  Since turning it in to a server, the highest load peak it has seen was ~65% when rendering videos and a few busy game servers but I don't have any temperature sensor programs installed in Ubuntu.

 

Even still, 55 C under full load is still nothing to worry about for a server since it rarely sees a full load like that.

 

And 8 true cores should beat out 4 cores with hyper-threading, but that's only in applications that can take advantage of Bulldozer's module design, and sadly they're aren't many out there.

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No problem.

As for temperatures, I'm not quite sure.  I think while Folding in Windows on that same machine I was hitting about 55 C max temperatures under full load with just the H80.  Since turning it in to a server, the highest load peak it has seen was ~65% when rendering videos and a few busy game servers but I don't have any temperature sensor programs installed in Ubuntu.

Even still, 55 C under full load is still nothing to worry about for a server since it rarely sees a full load like that.

And 8 true cores should beat out 4 cores with hyper-threading, but that's only in applications that can take advantage of Bulldozer's module design, and sadly they're aren't many out there.

55c is pretty awesome for that overclock.

Do you have any idea how the 8150 does on linux ?
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