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the MSI Twin frozr seems to be having a lot of problems. poor quality control it seems. lot of cards are overheating at stock speeds . seems like poor TIM (thermal interface application) at the factory. also the cooler is not good for voltage overclocking. Gigabyte HD 7950 Windforce, Sapphire HD 7950 950 Mhz edition and HIS Iceq HD 7950 Boost are good cards. excellent coolers which can easily handle voltage overclock speeds of 1150 -1200 Mhz. The windforce and iceq are slightly ahead of the sapphire cooler. so pick one of these.
here is a user running the gigabyte HD 7950 at 1280 Mhz with temps around 75c.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1258815/rock-heaven-your-hardest-all-kepler-users/330#post_18139820
http://www.overclock.net/t/1304715/gtx-660-ti-or-hd7950/30#post_18141357
stay away from the MSI card.

Thanks for the info. However, the reasoning he suggested the MSI was that they still honor warranty if you change out the stock cooler to a water-block, which I'd be doing. No matter which card I buy, the stock cooler is coming off and a water block is being purchased for it.

With that said, the warranty of it with a different cooler is not too important to me - total price including the water-block is going to be a major factor.
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Thanks for the info. However, the reasoning he suggested the MSI was that they still honor warranty if you change out the stock cooler to a water-block, which I'd be doing. No matter which card I buy, the stock cooler is coming off and a water block is being purchased for it.
With that said, the warranty of it with a different cooler is not too important to me - total price including the water-block is going to be a major factor.


Does it matter if it has warranty if it is a bum card? headscratch.gif


Anyways, on that note NO AIB supports watercooling except XFX. And all of them will not warranty your damage. Treat this hobby like the gubment treats er... nvm just adopt a don't ask don't tell policy.
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Does it matter if it has warranty if it is a bum card? headscratch.gif
Anyways, on that note NO AIB supports watercooling except XFX. And all of them will not warranty your damage. Treat this hobby like the gubment treats er... nvm just adopt a don't ask don't tell policy.

I'm just saying, in the past I was not too concerned with the warranties since I knew I'd be water-cooling. I'm pretty used to "voiding" it soon as I change it. As long as the card isn't DOA, I'm good. In fact, I've never had a faulty video card from the get go... The only card that had ever failed me was a GeForce 4 that went belly up after a while.

I'd like to get a quality card, but I don't feel it necessary to pay extra for a cooler I'm not going to make use of and tear off right away. Same thing with my car: why pay more for the "premium stereo package" if I'm just going to tear it all out and do it myself anyway? Those extra funds could be used for getting quality water-block.

With all that said, I've been keeping an eye on what's out there... I was expecting a larger price gap between the 7950 and 7970; same goes for nvidia, not a huge gap between 670 and 680. I guess I'll keep checking for deals and seeing if there is any specials on anything, that might sway me one way or another. I'd gladly pick up the PowerColor LCS AX7970 3GBD5-W2DH (the water-cooled, single slot card), but as of right now it's still a decent amount more expensive than a regular 7970 and a water-block. Right now it's getting $669.99 at newegg, and that's like the only place I see that sells it... and I'll get hit with another $47 in sales tax and $8.50 shipping. Well over $700 for a single 7970 is TOO MUCH.

Anybody know when the AMD 8000 series is supposed to release?
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Just want to get your opinion again on something real quick.

I had stumbled upon a deal locally of a EVGA GTX 680 4GB model w/ backplate for $440 out the door - so I also bought the new style XSPC Full coverage water block for it thinking I was going to use this... For some reasons I've had second thoughts about it... not sure why - I know it's a powerful card, maybe because I've been with AMD/ATi for so long now, or because I could resell the card for more than I paid as it's still sealed, new in box. Or maybe because the 680 doesn't even make any advantage of the extra 2GB of vram over the regular model even at extreme resolutions (maybe because of the 256 bit bus?)

My second option was, if I were to sell the GTX 680, to get the Diamond 7970 that amazon has for 331.99 with 20$ rebate going on right now (so 312 after rebate) and buying a block for that (90-100$), then overclock the 7970 as high as it will go on water, which could be very good.

My other conundrum was that I had run a bunch of benchmarks over the past few days, and it seems as if my 2 factory overclocked 5870's are still more powerful than either a 680 or 7970 GHz edition (like AvP bench) with a number of games and is dead even in performance on more demanding ones (such as Metro 2033 and Crysis 2 with all the ultra upgrades). Also, do to recent driver updates or game patches or both, The Witcher 2 on Ultra + Ubersampling runs pretty damn good now too. 3D Mark 11 benchmark is also in the very same ballpark as the other cards. I guess the biggest advantage to moving to either the 7970 or 680 would be in future proof of better DX11 implementation and power consumption savings... I'm sure there are some DX11 games that the new cards can blow my 2 out of the water, but not of the ones I tested...

What do you guys feel?

Keep the 4GB 680, add it to my system and be done with it.

Sell the 680 and the block to buy the substantially less expensive 7970 on amazon and put some money in my pocket? (The amount I'd make over what I paid, plus selling my 2 7870's would completely pay for the upgrade to the 7970 + block).

Sell the 680 and keep what I have till the next generation of cards come out? (Which will be even more expensive I'm sure)

As always, thanks for your input.
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Curious to know what you ended up doing. I am in a similar situation. 2 water cooled 5870s and looking to upgrade.
    
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Curious to know what you ended up doing. I am in a similar situation. 2 water cooled 5870s and looking to upgrade.

Sell both the HD 5870 cards and buy HD 7950 or HD 7970. each HD 5870 card can be sold for 100 bucks. if you sell with the waterblocks ask for 125 per card. HD 7950 or HD 7970 at (1.2 Ghz) will run faster than HD 5870 CF without any micro stuttering . you get much more consistent performance with HD 7950 / HD 7970. thumb.gif

Sapphire HD 7950 boost - 305 (285 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202006

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202008
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Curious to know what you ended up doing. I am in a similar situation. 2 water cooled 5870s and looking to upgrade.

I went from a 5970 and 5870 in crossfire to a single 7970 with a waterblock and i love it with the new 12.11betas it got a nice boost on alot of games and just feels much more smooth then my crossfire did. List games you play and if i have them i will benchmark them for you.
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whats a waterblock anyway ? you remove the shroud and heatsink from gpu and attach water pipes? thats kinda cool..
as for OP' question you could also get 2 7870's and Xfire them and yeah waterblock them..whatever it means.. lol
    
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Curious to know what you ended up doing. I am in a similar situation. 2 water cooled 5870s and looking to upgrade.

I went from 2x 5870s with universal GPU blocks to a single 7950 with a full cover block. Performance is similar, but going from 1GB to 3GB was a blessing, especially after I went for Eyefinity. Going back to a single card was just way more convenient for me. No need to worry about CF troubles or always having full screen enabled.
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whats a waterblock anyway ? you remove the shroud and heatsink from gpu and attach water pipes? thats kinda cool..
as for OP' question you could also get 2 7870's and Xfire them and yeah waterblock them..whatever it means.. lol



Sorry for the blurry picture, but you're right. You take off the heatsink and fan and slap on the waterblock. Inside are pathways for the water to directly cool the GPU, memory, and VRMs.
    
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