Originally Posted by Rubers
No, I better not hate them for suing based on actual technological patents rather than rounded rectangles and icons.
You should hate them for copying the iPhone purposefully, and for using Apple's patents (multi-touch IP, etc.) without license.
Originally Posted by Rubers
No, Apple hasn't licensed them, HTC and Samsung haven't refused to patent.
And we're to assume they both asked fair prices for their patents? They very likely didn't.
Originally Posted by Nocturin
holy carp. is that a big samsung stampt on the front?
That is. If I took the Samsung Galaxy S2 and wrote "Apple" on the top would that be changed enough?
. Point being that it's not enough for it have Samsung clearly labelled on it if they have copied the design.
Originally Posted by Rubers
^ the front looks nothing like an iPhone. At all. Touch back and menu buttons = not on an iPhone. Samsung logo front and centre = not on iPhone. Clock not centred, colourful notification bad icons = not on iPhone. Pagination at top = not on iPhone. Pagination numbered = not on iPhone. The bottom is raised on the back = not on iPhone. The back of the device has that checkered, grip effect = not on iPhone.
It looks sod all like the iPhone.
The back and sides of the device don't look like the iPhone at all, but the front is, particularly on the S 2.
And the jury made the mistake of finding in favour of Apple when one of the jury members was bias (not supposed to happen) and they skipped questions and automatically awarded without even looking at them (not supposed to happen). The evidence allowed was stacked in Apple's favour and you weren't on the jury panel (dear god I hope you weren't) so you don't know what and why they decided outside of that interview one jury member gave. So stop saying "they decided based on this and that" because that isn't in that interview.
They were swayed by one bias jury member who convinced them to come to an amount for infringement based on punishment. One jury member isn't allowed to take the lead, they weren't supposed to fine for punishment and they should've taken more time in deliberation (5 minutes per question, based on an 8 hour day is 7 days, not three, and 5 minutes per question is STILL short).
That's your opinion, not fact. And yes in an interview it's been said that the email, memo and that the executives dodged all their questions, was very damning for them. And of course the comparison between the S1 and iPhone had an effect on their decision, along with those other things I mentioned.
I do agree that they should've spent more time on each question, but I still think Apple deserved the win -- Samsung did copy the iPhone with some of their smartphones (not necessarily all that Apple claimed) and they were violating their other multi-touch patents, and the bounce back patent.
Originally Posted by doomlord52
Apple doesn't have any real patents. It's all on stuff that already exists, or no one cares about.
Slide to unlock, rounded corners, etc. are not patents.
Trade dress is a valid type of law suit, and slide to unlock is a simple but still valid patent to own. They also have patents on multi-touch technology which they sued Samsung for in the big $1 billion case.
Originally Posted by Legonut
In the end, It's all about the products that are delivered to the consumers. I say let Samsung release phones that look like iPhones, and with due time, the better product will win out through this wonderful system called the free market (or what is was meant to be).
Then you'd see copycat products everywhere. Trade dress exists to prevent that, to prevent companies designs from being copied too closely.
Originally Posted by Cesaro Summability
I like how people think Apple makes something. Apple makes NOTHING AT ALL. They subcontract all that out.
Apple is a company with around 43k workers, 35k of which are selling their crap working in their box stores, making nothing very little, while the company is the "highest" valued company in the world.
I hope Apple dies. Apple is the same as Wal MArt.
Since when to make something are you required to make all the internal components? They design all their products and have the necessary parts manufactured.
Originally Posted by Matt-Matt
LOL so true!
I think it should be frowned upon at least that Apple are allowed to "claim" rounded corners and "Icons"
. I mean what the hell? Apple need to grow up and probably step down from making iPhones..
They're not even that good anymore compared to the Samsungs, HTC's etc.
It's ridiculous that people pay so much for them too.. Apple do NOTHING.
That and every time I mention "Apple are getting sued" to anyone that has an iPhone they deny it and say "They won't", yet the second I mention "HTC" or "Samsung" "Haha, they got sued."
Apple users are complete idiots, that includes everyone I know that has one. I actually converted my sister from getting a 4S to a Galaxy S3, well two actually (one for her BF) because it worked out about $200 more for two then one iPhone 4S while having a better CPU, 4G LTE and a bigger/better screen. It also has a better camera and better antenna than the 4S.
It's got a memory card slot and it's not locked down either, and a replaceable battery. The best thing is that it's ANDROID! iOS and Android are both based on the same OS anyway so go figure.
What the hell with the grocery store story? It's a grocery store and they don't sell phones.. It's obviously not a rip off because the Apple is a different shape it's just a coincidence. Next thing you know we won't be allowed to eat real apples.
Apple can do die, I hope they all do. I've heard lots of bad things on my Facebook news feed from people (Teenage girls mostly) about it being bad and wanting SIII's.
They aren't. It's a part of their iPhone design patent. Whether or not you think copying Apple's icons is a big deal or not is irrelevant. Samsung did it and Apple's allowed to sue them over it.