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Mildly interesting read I found on CNet this morning:

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-...?tag=cnetfd.mt

In short, it's some subjective tests that arrive at the same conclusion many of us have been saying for some time now: 1080p is over hyped, especially by Sony with their "1080p is the only true HD" nonsense. Bottom line: You're probably not going to be able to tell the difference, other factors are much more important.
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Very interesting article. Thanks for posting it. I am still going to end up getting a 1080P display since I use it as the monitor on my computer and would really like a sharper picture than the 720P offers. I'm not really complaining just saying I can sell my current TV and upgrade to a newer better one for very little.
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While this isn't the most scientific test, both Katzmaier and I agreed that, after scanning through Mission: Impossible III for an hour, it would be very difficult--practically impossible--for the average consumer to tell the difference between a high-definition image displayed on a 1080p-capable TV and one with lower native resolution at the screen sizes mentioned above. At larger screen sizes, the differences might become somewhat more apparent, especially if you sit close to the screen.
That's the problem: the TVs used were all less than 50". The idea is that from a distance (or on a small screen) it's difficult to seperate two "light sources" one next to another, like pixels for example.

However, the idea is that more detail can be perceived if one shortens the viewing position. So if the viewing position in the test was say 10' (which sounds resonable for your conventional 50" display), one could have to get closer to the screen (say 6') in order to perceive the additional detail.

The biggest improvement people will see is with Projectors: even on 720p projectors you can see the pixels from about 4' away very easily. However, 1080p would likely eliminate such occurances. (there are 1080p projectors on the maket, but cost upwards of 8000USD, and that's a conservative figure)

Then there is the issue of the lack of 1080p sources, so having a 1080p screen and 720p material is usless, and probably worse than a 720p display. (artifacts caused by scaling image)

Anyway, I hope this clarifies some, I'm hardly a reference, but do have a fair amount of knowledge in this regard.

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However, the idea is that more detail can be perceived if one shortens the viewing position. So if the viewing position in the test was say 10' (which sounds resonable for your conventional 50" display), one could have to get closer to the screen (say 6') in order to perceive the additional detail.
I think it's fair to assume a standard recommended distance from the set. 50" screens are not meant to be viewed from 6 feet away, of course. Just because some people do it doesn't mean that that should be used as a benchmark, wouldn't you agree?

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The biggest improvement people will see is with Projectors: even on 720p projectors you can see the pixels from about 4' away very easily. However, 1080p would likely eliminate such occurances. (there are 1080p projectors on the maket, but cost upwards of 8000USD, and that's a conservative figure)

Then there is the issue of the lack of 1080p sources, so having a 1080p screen and 720p material is usless, and probably worse than a 720p display. (artifacts caused by scaling image)
All valid points, but personally I posted it more as a reference to the 1080i vs. 1080p debate people have with regard to the X360 and PS3. I don't care what any expert says, I would not recommend anyone get a TV that only does 720p; I would call 1080i the target resolution. But the difference between 1080i and 1080p is going to be undiscernable, so all of Sony's arguments about how crappy the X360 is because it doesn't do true 1080p are ludicrous.
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Yeah, the PS3 vs. Xbox "whose hi-def is best" is pretty moot. It'll be better than 480p (DVD) but other than that...

I've once played a DVD in the Xbox and in my DVD player (Denon). The Denon is simply far superior in image quality. What I'm getting at is that for the quality of PS3's blu ray drive (or Xbox's HD-DVD drive) will be abysmal compared to the 2nd or 3rd generation of standalone HD Players.

I totally agree with you in regards to the PS3/Xbox 360 HD debate.
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