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Hi guys! I'm working on finishing my brand new computer build and I have bought all of my components except for the case and cooling. I used to air cool in my previous builds but I got inspired by the great looking rigs I've seen here so I want to do water cooling. This is my first time doing water cooling and I want to get this right. Any help would be extremely appreciated!

Here are the items that I have on hand. I have around $600 max to pay for the case and the water cooling components.

mobo: Maximus V Formula z77
cpu: i7-3770K
gpu (sli): 2 x Asus Direct CU II GTX 670
psu: Seasonic P-1000
SSD: Raid 0 128gb x 2 Vertex 4 SSD
Ram: 4 x 4gb Dominator GT

TIA!
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Rad - 240mm Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta Res - EK Multioption X2 Res 150 Advanced Pump - Swiftech MCP 655 with Bitspower Acrylic Top Heatkiller GTX 690 Waterblock "Hole Edition" Bl... 
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post #2 of 8
You looking to water cool the CPU GPU or both?

I'd start by selecting the case. It will really determine how you design the rest of the build based on how comfortable you are with cutting/modding your case for the radiators and proper airflow.

The NZXT switch 810 seems to be very popular.

Next you will need to get an idea of how much heat you will be generating.
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp - Just put in the components you will be cooling with water.

Once you have that you can get some general ideas of what sort of pump and radiator you will need.
http://martinsliquidlab.org/pump-and-radiator-optimizer-spreadsheet/

I am a particular fan of the MCP35X for pumps. I run 2 in series and they can be adjusted for flow (PWM)

I like the Scythe Gentile Typhoons for fans. I run the AP-15s which are 1850RPM and very quiet. Some prefer PWM fans and these fans are not PWM.

Radiators are a big variable based on how much airflow you want (noise) / size / etc.

I use compression fittings. Bitspower seems to make good ones. I like the look but YMMV.

There are lots of tubing types. Read up on tubing because there have been issues with plasticizer causing clouding in the tubes. I used Primochill LRT and it clouded after a week. You'll need about 7-10 feet of tubing.

Then you will need water blocks.
I used Koolance blocks on my CPU and GPU. EK seems very popular as well.

There is a lot of good information on several sites on CPU block performance. Just make sure not to mix materials in your blocks. Aluminum and Copper will cause Galvanic corrosion. Stick with all one or the other.

You will need a reservoir. There are ones that go in the 5.25 drive bays and ones that mount in the case. Some mount on top of your pump housing. It depends on how you want your build to look.

Then you will need a kill coil to inhibit the growth of algae.

And finally distilled water. (not deionized or filtered but distilled)

So your shopping list should look like:
Case
Radiator (s)
pump (s)
Fans
Tubing
Fittings (approx 2 per radiator and 2 per block) (also 2 for pump and 2 for reservoir depending on what you choose)
Cooling blocks - CPU block / GPU block (s)
reservoir
kill coil
distilled water

Hopefully I didn't forget anything. If I did I'm sure someone will add to the list.

Don't be shy about asking questions. I'm by no means an expert, but there a lots of helpful people here on the site that can help answer questions.
Edited by pgdeaner - 9/11/12 at 1:35pm
post #3 of 8
My recommendations for your first loop is go look at all the build logs and find one you like. Copy it.
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post #4 of 8
I agree with "pgdeaner" find a case you like first, really like that is.

Most cases will support at least a 240mm rad, which is plenty for CPU only loop.

I would be most suggestive that looking for a case that supports at least 2x 240mm rad is preferable for a water cooling case.

Some examples are Bitfenix Colossus Venom Edition, Shinobi Window XL or NZXT Switch 810, Phantom or any of Corsair Obsidian range

The rule of thumb is 120mm of rad per block plus an extra 120mm of rad for good measure.

A great starting point is with XSPC D5 Raystorm kits.

Then all you need to add is distilled water. And kill coil.

But the pump is plenty to add extra block/s and rad/s.
post #5 of 8
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies!

Do you guys think its worth it just cooling the cpu? Would cooling a direct CU II gtx 670 be worth it? and how about ram?

I am leaning towards the NZXT Switch 810 as I really like the gunmetal color. Also thinking of the Haf X.
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Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
2 x OCZ Vertex 4 128GB Asus Blu Ray Drive CPU - Swiftech Apogee HD Rad - 360mm Alphacool Nexxxos XT45 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Rad - 240mm Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta Res - EK Multioption X2 Res 150 Advanced Pump - Swiftech MCP 655 with Bitspower Acrylic Top Heatkiller GTX 690 Waterblock "Hole Edition" Bl... 
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10 x Corsair SP120 fans 2 x Corsair AF140 12 x Monsoon 3/8 x 1/2 Compression Fittings - M... Windows 8 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL240T 120hz monitor Razer Blackwidow Seasonic P-1000 80+ Platinum NZXT Switch 810 Black 
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Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
2 x OCZ Vertex 4 128GB Asus Blu Ray Drive CPU - Swiftech Apogee HD Rad - 360mm Alphacool Nexxxos XT45 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Rad - 240mm Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta Res - EK Multioption X2 Res 150 Advanced Pump - Swiftech MCP 655 with Bitspower Acrylic Top Heatkiller GTX 690 Waterblock "Hole Edition" Bl... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
10 x Corsair SP120 fans 2 x Corsair AF140 12 x Monsoon 3/8 x 1/2 Compression Fittings - M... Windows 8 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL240T 120hz monitor Razer Blackwidow Seasonic P-1000 80+ Platinum NZXT Switch 810 Black 
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This is what I built which seems to be very close to what you will be building, First time doing it, and I gave up on making it look real good. You will also notice that I did not run any tubes for the mosfet. I thought about doing it and found a good way to get 1/2 tubing in it, but the issue I came across was the tube would have to be sort of long, otherwise it would kink.I also have a spare pump/res that I could install for the mosfet and 3/8 tubing, but motherboard temp is around 34C.

I run the pump at 2500rpm which is silent, and on load I hit 40-45 CPU (4.2 OC) and 40 GPU (1250Mhz OC). Oh yeah, if you do buy the 35x pump, do not forget to get the heatsink, that thing is excellent when air is going through it.

post #7 of 8
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the input guys. What would be a nice place to buy the parts? Thanks! I am actually thinking of running a loop for the mainboard, cpu, and ram for now. Not include the gpu's first and rely on Asus direct cu II cooling solution for the meantime.
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Intel i7-3770K Asus Maximus V Formula Z77 Inno3D Nvidia GTX 690 Corsair Dominator GT 16GB 1866 CL9 (4GBx4 sticks) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
2 x OCZ Vertex 4 128GB Asus Blu Ray Drive CPU - Swiftech Apogee HD Rad - 360mm Alphacool Nexxxos XT45 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Rad - 240mm Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta Res - EK Multioption X2 Res 150 Advanced Pump - Swiftech MCP 655 with Bitspower Acrylic Top Heatkiller GTX 690 Waterblock "Hole Edition" Bl... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
10 x Corsair SP120 fans 2 x Corsair AF140 12 x Monsoon 3/8 x 1/2 Compression Fittings - M... Windows 8 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL240T 120hz monitor Razer Blackwidow Seasonic P-1000 80+ Platinum NZXT Switch 810 Black 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Cyborg R.A.T. 9 Razer Goliathus Control Edition Sound Card - Creative Sound Blaster Z Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro 250 ohms 
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Intel i7-3770K Asus Maximus V Formula Z77 Inno3D Nvidia GTX 690 Corsair Dominator GT 16GB 1866 CL9 (4GBx4 sticks) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
2 x OCZ Vertex 4 128GB Asus Blu Ray Drive CPU - Swiftech Apogee HD Rad - 360mm Alphacool Nexxxos XT45 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Rad - 240mm Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta Res - EK Multioption X2 Res 150 Advanced Pump - Swiftech MCP 655 with Bitspower Acrylic Top Heatkiller GTX 690 Waterblock "Hole Edition" Bl... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
10 x Corsair SP120 fans 2 x Corsair AF140 12 x Monsoon 3/8 x 1/2 Compression Fittings - M... Windows 8 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL240T 120hz monitor Razer Blackwidow Seasonic P-1000 80+ Platinum NZXT Switch 810 Black 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Cyborg R.A.T. 9 Razer Goliathus Control Edition Sound Card - Creative Sound Blaster Z Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro 250 ohms 
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post #8 of 8
http://www.frozencpu.com is where I got most of my gear.
Your local Microcenter might have some gear if you have one in your area.

Don't have personal experience with any of the other retailers, but there are plenty of threads here cheering and bashing.

Good luck on your build. Remember to leak test the unit before you plug in the power supply. Much easier to deal with a leak before you fry anything..... thumb.gif
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