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[ScienceDaily] Scientists Cast Doubt On Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle

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In order to overcome this hurdle, Rozema and his colleagues employed a technique known as weak measurement wherein the action of a measuring device is weak enough to have an imperceptible impact on what is being measured. Before each photon was sent to the measurement apparatus, the researchers measured it weakly and then measured it again afterwards, comparing the results. They found that the disturbance induced by the measurement is less than Heisenberg's precision-disturbance relation would require.

"Each shot only gave us a tiny bit of information about the disturbance, but by repeating the experiment many times we were able to get a very good idea about how much the photon was disturbed," says Rozema.

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It is often assumed that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle applies to both the intrinsic uncertainty that a quantum system must possess, as well as to measurements. These results show that this is not the case and demonstrate the degree of precision that can be achieved with weak-measurement techniques.

"The results force us to adjust our view of exactly what limits quantum mechanics places on measurement," says Rozema.

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This was from a few days ago but didn't see it posted, thought some of you would find it interesting. The first quote is a partial explanation (very simplified, I'm sure) of what they were doing, and the second quote describes what the title is actually referring to.
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Basically, they don't really know whats going on, so the first cockomammy thoery that sort of works, gets foisted onto us degrading our ability to move forward
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Basically, they don't really know whats going on, so the first cockomammy thoery that sort of works, gets foisted onto us degrading our ability to move forward

Can you rephrase that? Who doesn't know what's going on? What is the cockamamie theory? How does it sort of work? Why is our ability to move forward degraded? I'm not saying I disagree, only that I don't understand what, exactly, you're referring to.
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Basically, they don't really know whats going on, so the first cockomammy thoery that sort of works, gets foisted onto us degrading our ability to move forward

If any small part of a theory is proven to be wrong, the theory is no longer sound. That doesn't mean it's worthless and cannot still have practical use, that just means we know it's flawed and have to take that into account. Newton's law of gravity isn't perfect, but it still has practical use in many cases.
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Science destroys itself whenever possible. Are the results here even tangible?
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Science destroys itself whenever possible. Are the results here even tangible?

Tangible is a loaded term. For example, no experimental particle physics (i.e. Higgs Boson et al) is tangible. Does that make it worthless?
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Wow, you make a few pounds of methamphetamine and all of a sudden everyone thinks they can question your work!
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If any small part of a theory is proven to be wrong, the theory is no longer sound. That doesn't mean it's worthless and cannot still have practical use, that just means we know it's flawed and have to take that into account. Newton's law of gravity isn't perfect, but it still has practical use in many cases.

A theory is a flawed idea until proven otherwise. To say that a theory is flawed is redundant for obvious reasons.
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A theory is a flawed idea until proven otherwise. To say that a theory is flawed is redundant for obvious reasons.

?? Isn't it the other way around? I thought a theory can not be "proven" to not be flawed, it can just have a lot of evidence for being true?
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A theory is a flawed idea until proven otherwise. To say that a theory is flawed is redundant for obvious reasons.
You need to learn what a scientific theory is.
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