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8 cores at 5ghz. My cad rig might be getting an upgrade.
To be more precise its 4 modules which can run 8 threads wink.gif As far as CAD goes these 4 modules might not be noticeable upgrade as they have only 4 floating point units in them (and 8 integer units).
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To be more precise its 4 modules which can run 8 threads wink.gif As far as CAD goes these 4 modules might not be noticeable upgrade as they have only 4 floating point units in them (and 8 integer units).

Yes, but if it supports the AVX 256-bit instructions, it will run quite a bit faster.
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Yes, but if it supports the AVX 256-bit instructions, it will run quite a bit faster.

Correct me if I'm wrong as I have not been using CAD on regular basis of late, but as far as I understand AutoCAD does not support AVX 256 for now as its relatively fresh command set extension ? Assuming hes using the latest CAD (in my experience companies tend to use whatever CAD version they bought and are reluctant to upgrade unless they absolutely need to do it). Some years ago when I was working with CAD on more regular basis the company I did it was still using CAD 2000 and even CAD from '95 and had couple of licenses for CAD 2004. They had small pile of in-house built code on top of these for automating some processes and were very reluctant about upgrading bcos of the cost of the licenses and the potential for the upgrade to break the custom tools. Back then they were in the process of slowly working through their tool-set and making sure everything works with CAD 2004.
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Correct me if I'm wrong as I have not been using CAD on regular basis of late, but as far as I understand AutoCAD does not support AVX 256 for now as its relatively fresh command set extension ? Assuming hes using the latest CAD (in my experience companies tend to use whatever CAD version they bought and are reluctant to upgrade unless they absolutely need to do it). Some years ago when I was working with CAD on more regular basis the company I did it was still using CAD 2000 and even CAD from '95 and had couple of licenses for CAD 2004. They had small pile of in-house built code on top of these for automating some processes and were very reluctant about upgrading bcos of the cost of the licenses and the potential for the upgrade to break the custom tools. Back then they were in the process of slowly working through their tool-set and making sure everything works with CAD 2004.

That's probably true, I don't know much about CAD. However, as I recall, the 256-bit FPU is capable of functioning as two separate 128-bit FPUs with older instruction sets (not completely sure).

Of course, the bottleneck of only having one decoder/prefetch/etc is still there.
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Not that I disagree with your position, however AMD fired their marketing team who caused the Bulldozer debacle.

I have to disagree with that assessment. AMD was even worse after bulldozer launch than before.

First denying the results, then blaming everyone but themselves(eg software), then giving false hope. "A windows 7 patch is coming", "Bulldozer will perform better on windows 8." Well, both those things are out and BD gets the same results with them. Blatant misrepresentations.
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I have to disagree with that assessment. AMD was even worse after bulldozer launch than before.
First denying the results, then blaming everyone but themselves(eg software), then giving false hope. "A windows 7 patch is coming", "Bulldozer will perform better on windows 8." Well, both those things are out and BD gets the same results with them. Blatant misrepresentations.

Where is your proof.gif that AMD really did these things? If they mis-represented the product where are all the lawsuits? These continued vague comments about BD are well beyond old by now, but some still insist on dredging up this worn out argument and starting flame wars again.
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I have to disagree with that assessment. AMD was even worse after bulldozer launch than before.
First denying the results, then blaming everyone but themselves(eg software), then giving false hope. "A windows 7 patch is coming", "Bulldozer will perform better on windows 8." Well, both those things are out and BD gets the same results with them. Blatant misrepresentations.

But both of those cases are true. The thread scheduler changes made to Windows 8 and available to Windows 7 via those patches you're talking about do grant marginally higher performance to BD based CPUs by preferentially distributing threads to their own modules. It helps the most in workloads where the number of active threads > 1 and <= module count. Not everything is going to benefit from it but many things will get a (quite) small boost. We're talking a couple of percent. It's nothing to get excited about, but it's technically true.
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Meh... 5Ghz ain't impressive anymore this days. Any i5 and i7 can do that on daily bases...
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^ That hasn't been my experience. They clock (with stability) about the same as BD in my experience.
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^ That hasn't been my experience. They clock (with stability) about the same as BD in my experience.

You maybe have no experiece at all then! I clock my i7 to 5ghz all the time when I need it. Fold at 4.8ghz all day long... Doubt BD can OC to 5ghz
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