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Grand! Thanks again Punkx1..
Looking through it, ITX is rather limited atm! What a shame.. Perhaps Matx than. Also, the heatsink on the phases is important? As xd_1771 refers to them a lot with ever description.

Not if you don't overclock and stick to the TDP rating of the board.

BUT the phases on the board need to be of reliable quality.
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Yes. And I still would not recommend it. The balance on this PC is so poor and so would the balance on any other PC that attempts $300 PSU in $500 budget (your build doesn't even meet the $600 budget, it goes over by $25 bar the rebates, + shipping). It meets few of the OP's specifications - specifically he wanted low power and low profile, and good RAM for photoshop. What we have here is a poor generic memory kit with a mediocre motherboard (features and OC capability wise) with a larger case and a meh power supply and an over-powered GPU that, as pointed out above, would be quite pointless for this task.

JorundJ, please step aside for a moment and ignore this next suggestion, I have to do everyone a favour by proving to ShotgunBFFL that supercombos/DIY kits suck and there is a good reason that I really like to suggest against them.
Behold, competing config by xd:
I think I just destroyed your supercombo build in every aspect.
Behold a wondrous config for $574 shipped before rebates and $539 shipped after.
For a $51 savings before rebates and $1 saving after rebates, this build includes:
  • 200Mhz faster processor with unlocked multiplier (black edition)
  • Motherboard has AM3+ socket and higher quality VRM system, more acceptable for stock speed operation
  • Faster DDR3-1600
  • Quieter video card (larger fans are quieter)
  • Far better case with behind-the-tray cable management
  • Far better PSU with higher 12V rail capacity and better quality, and longer warranty
  • Longer warranty on HDD

Every single component on my manually created combination of parts has some sort of advantage over the parts on your supercombos, for less price.

This build would be perfect if it had the GA-78LMT-USB3 for VRM cooling and an aftermarket cooler and for under $600 you would have the perfect <$600 gaming PC with a $300 GPU (not that I would recommend this for OP's low-profile, low-power needs but still).

Supercombos/DIY kits are hidden ripoffs. They are attempts at good deals. They are for the lazy and unwilling. A bit of effort can be placed into making a better config for the same or less price, every time. Of my near 20,000 posts on this site, I estimate at least 1000 are dedicated to beating supercombos and showing people that they are ripoffs.

Don't ever buy supercombos... ahem, DIY kits.
Very good job
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post #23 of 27
Real small plus real good:

i5 3470 w/ ASRock B75 Pro3M
4x 4GB G.Skill NT/KVR (Value RAM clocks well)
Any full-size PCI slot GPU you desire - as long as it doesn't have heatpipes that stick out a lot.
Any regular SATA DVD drive.
Any regular SATA HDD (you can have up to two HDDs in this small wonder)
FSP450-60GHS or the Silverstone ST45SF.
Inwin BK644 Chassis (it's a really tiny mATX chassis. You'd think it's a mid-sized mITX chassis.)
CoolerMaster Vortex Plus.
Replace the whiny, crappy Blademaster on the Vortex with something good, like a Delta with PWM or the like. These are powerful fans that will run waaaaaaaaaaaaaay down low thanks to the excellent fan control on the Nuvoton IC that Asrock loves to use. If Level 1 in the BIOS isn't enough, there's a custom mode ranging from 1-255 in which you can enter the ideal value of fan speed.

Might be a little costly; and you can replace some of the parts if you want to lower the costs.

i3 3220 w/ ASRock H71M-DGS (this is the entry level board - tiny but really cost effective. Downside is that it has only two RAM slots, something I personally would recommend against if you do memory intensive work.)
Seasonic SS-300SF or similar SFX sized power supply. I know the Inwin BK in Europe and America comes with a default FSP300-60GLS PSU which is very much adequate for your needs as long as your graphics card has a single 6-pin PCIe connector. Although it isn't 80PLUS certiified, it's a solid PSU which will do rated capacity with no problem. The FSP450 was suggested initially, to cater for better GPUs should you want them.

Or the very last cost saving option (which I would really recommend against) is ditching the Vortex Plus for the stock cooler.
Yes, I understand that the BK is engineered to work IN CONJUNCTION as well as IMPROVE the airflow of the Intel stock cooler and subsequently the chassis - but given the wimpy size of today's Intel heatsinks, it's something you wouldn't want to risk because you want quiet.

However, that does not mean you've lost all hope. ASRock has LGA775 mountings on their motherboards and so if you can find a decent, socket 775 heatsink from the Pentium D, early C2D or C2Q era which is huge and has a copper core - buy it, clean it up and use it. They cool way better than the modern, low-profile solutions.

Hope this helped.
Edited by Volvo - 9/13/12 at 5:03am
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The FM2 boards look great, I see motherboard manufacturers are really stepping up to the plate with the quality. You can see it in the new boards: most of the mATX already feature VRM cooling (huge step up from AM3+ platform boards), Biostar introducing an 8+2 phase, etc.

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Indeed. smile.gif What do you guys think about cooling, will a h80 fit on a ITX board? I'll get a Bitfenix prodigy since my wife loves it.
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Yeah an H80 will fit any motherboard smile.gif

You just gotta make sure the rad gets enough clearance to be mounted properly inside the case biggrin.gif
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post #27 of 27
good build XD but just a try bro redface.gif

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 960T Black 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($118.24 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($49.98 @ NCIX US)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.00 @ Newegg)

Storage: Hitachi 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($35.99 @ NCIX US)

Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($199.99 @ Newegg)

Case: BitFenix Merc Beta (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ NCIX US)

Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ NCIX US)
Total (before mail-in rebates): $558.18
Mail-in Rebates: $-40.00
Total: $518.18
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