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Would actually be worth talking about if...
1. Games needed that much power
2. The Adreno 320 wasn't around the corner
Games would be much much enjoyable on the S3's bigger and higher resolution screen.
And especially not worth bragging about as Apple didn't design the chip in the first place.

1. Mobile games need all the power they can get. Compare PC graphics to mobile graphics and see how much catch-up is needed.
2. A step in performance is always appreciated.

Apple does design its chips, it just doesn't manufacture them.
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Originally Posted by Mr Frosty View Post

Would actually be worth talking about if...

1. Games needed that much power
2. The Adreno 320 wasn't around the corner

Games would be much much enjoyable on the S3's bigger and higher resolution screen.

And especially not worth bragging about as Apple didn't design the chip in the first place.
1. Since when do we not care about beautiful graphics? Now the iPhone will be able to run apps with even better quality.

2. Define right around the corner? We'll see how it stacks up against the iPhone 5 soon enough.

But still the iPhone 5 is capable of better graphics. I'd rather play Crysis on a small screen than The Sims on a large screen. (A large exaggeration but you see my point.) And it's the most powerful smartphone in regard to graphics, so yeah... doesn't matter that they don't make the graphics chip (most smartphone manufacturers don't), if it was so easy then others should try and do the same thing -- took them nearly a year to just catch up to the 4S' graphical power.
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post #333 of 934
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Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129 View Post

Samsung Galaxy S3 (international version only) just caught up to iPhone 4S in terms of GPU performance.
SGX543MP4, which is the same GPU used in PS Vita.
Mind explaining how they are playing catch up? 2x Cortex A15s offer best per core performance but GPU offers twice the performance of the best smartphones out now.

Compared to the 800Mhz Cortex A9's but compared to the Krait S4, there is negligible difference in CPU performance.

If this A15-based CPU is clocked at 800Mhz, it will be significantly slower than the Lumia 920 and Galaxy S3's Krait CPU.

The GPU is in a league of its own, though.
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At least on paper galaxy S3 CPU is already over 2 times as powerful as Iphone 4s

Galaxy S3 Quad core cortex-A9 @ 1.4GHz

Iphone 4s Dual core cortex-A9 @ 800MHz
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Originally Posted by Domino View Post

When are people going to understand the purpose of a scheduler in CPU design?  It doesn't matter if the application is multi-threaded or not, the extra cores benefit else where.  Single threaded applications only benefit from higher IPC, not because of less cores.  

THIS.
No, not this. Have you even read what I said?

The quad-core won't benefit any apps which aren't able to, by design, utilise more than one or two cores. The majority of apps will be like that, only intensive apps and games will really be able to support a quad-core. That's very simple to understand. Of course the other cores will be used to multi-task, but that still doesn't matter if you're never using up more than two whole cores in the first place.

I think his point was that the phone may have 4-5 things running at once, over two cores. It's possible if it were a quad-core that overall things might be more responsive as they each get dedicated and uninterrupted CPU time. Of course, if this CPU is able to update each app more than 60 times per second, then it really doesn't matter that much.

IMO a quad-core would have benefits, but it would be at the cost of IPC performance, that is, each thread would run slower, but there would be more threads. The way iOS updates its apps, and allows apps access to cores, I don't think a quad-core would have been any more beneficial than an A6 that is much faster than the A5.
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At least on paper galaxy S3 CPU is already over 2 times as powerful as Iphone 4s

Galaxy S3 Quad core cortex-A9 @ 1.4GHz

Iphone 4s Dual core cortex-A9 @ 800MHz

That would be more than twice as powerful. If the S3 were running at 800Mhz it would be twice as powerful just because of having twice as many cores. As it stands it's theoretically 3.5x as powerful as the 4S. So if the CPU in the iPhone 5 is twice as fast, then theoretically the S3 may still be more powerful than the iPhone 5. However, how optimized the OS is will play a factor in how much of a difference this actually makes for the user.
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post #336 of 934
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Ah right. Did I misread the Keynote? Or did it say thinnest smartphone and lightest smartphone? Reading the page on Apple.com it says thinnest iPhone and lightest iPhone...

I thought it was iPhone too, but Anand quoted the presenter as saying:
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10:16AM PDT - "it's the world's thinnest smartphone"

Of course that could be an error on the part of the presenter or the person quoting them.

The iPhone 5 looks nice, not sure that it is enough to make me want one though. To be honest I am quite happy with my "dumb" phone right now, it makes calls, sends texts and only needs to be charged once a week.
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So from the looks of things, iPhone will have A(X) and iPad 6 months later with get the A(X)x? Also dont you guys ever wonder that good hardware needs also a good software to use? I see nothing impressive with iOS6 which would make iPhone 5 so good. All these performance improvements are just so they can keep up because iOS is designed for low end hardware because it so basic.
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Ah right. Did I misread the Keynote? Or did it say thinnest smartphone and lightest smartphone? Reading the page on Apple.com it says thinnest iPhone and lightest iPhone...

according to the Verge

"The world's thinnest smartphone."
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1. Mobile games need all the power they can get. Compare PC graphics to mobile graphics and see how much catch-up is needed.
2. A step in performance is always appreciated.
Apple does design its chips, it just doesn't manufacture them.

Read any review site and you'll see that mobiles are actually CPU limited in practically every way....

Adding so much GPU will only get you so far...

And compare mobile to PC..... let's compare black and white.....
post #340 of 934
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So from the looks of things, iPhone will have A(X) and iPad 6 months later with get the A(X)x? Also dont you guys ever wonder that good hardware needs also a good software to use? I see nothing impressive with iOS6 which would make iPhone 5 so good. All these performance improvements are just so they can keep up because iOS is designed for low end hardware because it so basic.

Well, seeing how Apple updates older devices far better than any phone carrier does for Android phones, they have to make it run good on older devices with slower hardware. What's so wrong with that?
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