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Hey experts, i need your help: I just went to install a powercolor 6570 that I tested and works perfectly in my sons rig. I also upgraded their stock sempron cooler to an extra fx-8120 one that i have. thirdly, I installed a new antec 120mm pwm fan in the front. I hooked up a new quality hdmi from card to monitor and tried to boot. no picture. so i plugged the vga cord back into onboard gfx and booted into bios to change order that it boots to graphics card first. I disabled onboard and set the correct boot order to pci-e. before I could even save and restart, it blanked out, and dvd drive started acting weird. wouldn't open all the way. now it wont light up.fans came on but no post beep.unhooked graphics card and extra 120mm fan. no post. switched to a good 300 watt antec pwr supply. no post. tried both ram sticks one at a time in all 4 ram slots. no post. unhooked everything except 24 pin and 4 pin and vga cord. no post. here are the specs: oh took out battery and unplugged pwr wire and jumpered to reset bios no post.

asus m488t-m mobo
4 gig 1333 (2 x 2) patriot value ram
sempron 145 unlocked to athlon 4550e
w.d. 320 gig blue sata 2 h.d.
lite-on older dvd burner ---IDE type
logisys 575 watt cheapie pwr supply

all parts were new on june 12th except dvd burner and were from newegg.just bought monitor, hdmi cable, and powercolor 6570 new

any help would be appreciated as my 6 and 7 yr old are bummed. They paid for half with their own money lol. Thanks
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logisys 575 watt cheapie pwr supply
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unhooked graphics card
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and powercolor 6570 new
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dvd drive started acting weird. wouldn't open all the way. now it wont light up

 

Ohhhh no....

Sir, you do not pair a Logisys cheapie power supply with any discrete graphics card. That's just..... suicidal.

post #3 of 54
Hmmmm, wreaks of dead PSU or dead Mobo mad.gif
I really hope im wrong though as i bet your sons want to enjoy their new machine.

You say you left out the battery for a while....is there a button on back of the mobo to reset bios? or leave the battery out for a bit longer than last time.
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Have you tried running the CMOS jumper on reset? Most CMOS chips are non-volitile so pulling the battery just kills the system clock. Though first pull the GFX card. Lastly if that does nothing try pulling the heatsink, there might have been some paste overflow and as most pastes are metallic and conductive, they have a tendency to short things out.
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Hmm you already tried a different psu too and you tried booting with the bare minimum. Seems like a dead mobo imo. The only other thing you haven't changed out back to what it was was the cpu cooler. Maybe you tightened it too much.
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the graphics card doesn't require a external power connector so with it just drawing power from the mobo, and the sempron being such low wattage, I thought it should be fine. I hooked up an older sparkle 300 watt to see if pwr supply died but thats when the power l.e.d. stopped lighting up even though the fans were still running. The weird thing is: why would the dvd burner not light up on another pwr supply and how would a power supply fry so much? it was "rated" at 575 so i figured it was good for at least 350.... Thanks for responding. Will I be safe to test hard drive, memory and video card in my more expensive system? or could it hurt it?
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Well, it's the AMD stock design with the clip and lever so I only know to connect the clips and tighten the lever. I did have a problem geitting it in place due to the 4-pin cpu power supply wire being so short. It was TIGHT going over the vga heatsink and around left side of fx heatsink. I'm going to test each component individually on my desktop but only if it wont take mine out too lol (vid card, memory, hard drive) those are what I hope to salvage.
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Hmmmm, wreaks of dead PSU or dead Mobo mad.gif

Could be both. And the latter could likely be the result of the former.

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it was "rated" at 575

Ahaha, no. It can probably deliver nowhere close to 250W.

 

Mathematically I'm not joking, actually. I know that there is one Logisys "575W" PSU on Newegg. While the advertised "rating" is 575W, this is a combined rating that takes into account peak (not constant) capacity as well as the 3.3V and 5V rails. The 12V rail (which is really, in modern PCs [i.e. since CPUs matured past the Pentium III era and stopped using the 3.3V or 5V as sources for CPU voltage] the only thing that matters) is actually rated to provide just 25A or 300W. This is a common trait with low end PSUs.  Combine that with mediocre quality everywhere and essentially you have a potential light show on your hands. I once had a Logisys "480W" PSU that couldn't hold a candle to a simple dual core Athlon II x2 build with 880G mobo graphics. The 12V rail voltage displayed above 12.6V and out of spec. Replaced it immediately and without regret.

 

A true quality PSU would rate based on 12V rail capacity, feature high efficiency, high build quality, come from a reputable brand, and probably have not such a bad record. You don't need to pay a lot for a good PSU. Between $10-20 (not a large premium) can buy you a CX 430 V2 or Neo ECO 450 that would outperform these low end mediocre units and provide at least twice as much actual power.


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Well, I do appreciate your candor, although feeling pretty dumb right now. I originally bought it due to sale price building my own "budget" machine but read reviews after and found a antec high current gamer 400 watt for 69.99 with 40.00 rebate so I bought that. I gave the new logisys to my son's to help them with collecting for their build as they were paying for it with their own money although we were matching them dollar for dollar trying to teach them responsibility lol. I guess now I need to learn that as I fried their hard work with my ignorance. So far I tested the hard drive and it's okay on my machine but am reluctant to put memory, video card, or cpu in mine as i dont know if it will hurt my machine. Any ideas about that? We are just going to order them a motherboard monday from newegg or ncix whichever has the best value and will unlock their sempron 145 like the asus did. (if cpu still works) Thanks again.
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Originally Posted by oldcompgeek View Post

Well, I do appreciate your candor, although feeling pretty dumb right now. I originally bought it due to sale price building my own "budget" machine but read reviews after and found a antec high current gamer 400 watt for 69.99 with 40.00 rebate so I bought that. I gave the new logisys to my son's to help them with collecting for their build as they were paying for it with their own money although we were matching them dollar for dollar trying to teach them responsibility lol. I guess now I need to learn that as I fried their hard work with my ignorance. So far I tested the hard drive and it's okay on my machine but am reluctant to put memory, video card, or cpu in mine as i dont know if it will hurt my machine. Any ideas about that? We are just going to order them a motherboard monday from newegg or ncix whichever has the best value and will unlock their sempron 145 like the asus did. (if cpu still works) Thanks again.

Putting in and testing the RAM, cpu and gpu won't "hurt" your machine. If it doesn't work then it just doesn't work. No permanent effects on your machine unless you mess up with the actual installation.
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