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Grats on MOTM mate!

Here is something I have been working on for a while. I made some modifications to it when I saw how you designed this case and it allowed me the shave another .75" off the height by modding the back panel.







It's a mATX 11.25"H x 17"L x 8"W server case that holds 8 HDD's 4 120mm fans and 4 80mm fans (the two behind the motherboard have to be slim fans. Weird how we came up with the same basic bend tabs along the side to mount the side panels to. I made mine a standard .5" high with a 45° at .25" with .5" between it and the sides. The only thing I think I did different is recessing the tabs so there is no gap (that requires a precise cutting tool though and it look as though Dwood was using a plasma, I will be using a waterjet because unfortunately the plasma heat would warp the aluminum to hell being only .0625 thick).

I stole your fan grill design too! =P I've got a bunch that I've been swapping in and I just can't make up my mind which one I want.
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Grats on MOTM mate!
Here is something I have been working on for a while. I made some modifications to it when I saw how you designed this case and it allowed me the shave another .75" off the height by modding the back panel.



It's a mATX 11.25"H x 17"L x 8"W server case that holds 8 HDD's 4 120mm fans and 4 80mm fans (the two behind the motherboard have to be slim fans. Weird how we came up with the same basic bend tabs along the side to mount the side panels to. I made mine a standard .5" high with a 45° at .25" with .5" between it and the sides. The only thing I think I did different is recessing the tabs so there is no gap (that requires a precise cutting tool though and it look as though Dwood was using a plasma, I will be using a waterjet because unfortunately the plasma heat would warp the aluminum to hell being only .0625 thick).

Its a one great looking case thumb.gif
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Congrats! Crazy how close it got at the end!
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Using the above pic as a reference, I've got a few questions.


1) What on earth is the loop order? It looks like a baby res just left of the front 120 rad, to CPU, to GPU, to 240, to 120, back home to res? That about it? Any reason for not going to a rad between heat sources?

2) Could you measure the space between the PSU and 240 rad, and PSU and GPU? I'm wondering if I can fit an ATX PSU in there, something like Seasonic's fanless 520 Platinum. By comparison, the ATX PSU would be 25mm wider, 22.5mm thicker, and 60mm longer. The width doesn't look like a problem since it looks like you've got free space between the PSU and GPU. I think the depth will be okay using an Apogee Drive II; 40mm tall Apogee + 86mm thick PSU + 10mm clearance + 2mm-ish for mobo = 138mm between the PSU and back of mobo. Still less than the sideways 120 rad. Add a 3mm steel or alu mobo tray, plus 15mm for a 2.5mm HDD or SSD plus breathing room, and it looks like I can keep about the same case width of Compact Splash.

3) Could you measure the space between the right-angle fitting of the 240 rad and the lowest point along the front you can mount a rad? I wonder just how much space I have up front...


I'm considering whether adding another 30mm of case height and length would be worth it to have the rad fans pulling with shrouds vs pushing without. Single-fan setups at low speed tend to favor pull over push, and any configuration works better with shrouds. It might even allow enough space up front for a vertical Swiftech MCR120-QP Res (res up, inlet/outlet down) in place of the sideways EX120; trouble is I'd need 172mm between the 240's right-angle fitting and the front IO area. If the answer to question #3 is 172mm, I'm golden; I can replace the micro res with the rad-res and save one stop along the loop. In that case I'd probably go 120 rad/res --> GPU --> 240 rad --> CPU --> back to 120. Or reverse the order, pending whether the CPU or GPU puts out more heat when OC'd.
    
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the reason he didn't go to a different rad between heat source is because it doesn't matter
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Thanks all for the motm shout-outs! Pretty freakin stoked for the win!! Been out of town but followed in to the photo-finish smile.gif Theres a more extensive thank-you list in the motm thread but i want to reiterate that it couldn't have been done without dwood, insidejob, hpe1000, overclocker55, newhighscore and the rest of you guys who have been following! Not to mention active clubs like z77e, ssf, watercooling, raystorm and OCN Folding at Home Team Competition members. Thank you... I consider this a win for us all! Represent!! wink.gif
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1) What on earth is the loop order? It looks like a baby res just left of the front 120 rad, to CPU, to GPU, to 240, to 120, back home to res? That about it? Any reason for not going to a rad between heat sources?

Order is pump>120 rad>240 rad>gpu>cpu>res>pump. Pretty simple... fillport is connected to the top of the res, drain is off one of the extra gpu ports. Rbby is right... order doesn't matter other than res>pump so I went with whatever was shortest/easiest to run. Fun fact: there's only 27 inches of tubing in the entire build. biggrin.gif
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2) Could you measure the space between the PSU and 240 rad, and PSU and GPU? I'm wondering if I can fit an ATX PSU in there, something like Seasonic's fanless 520 Platinum. By comparison, the ATX PSU would be 25mm wider, 22.5mm thicker, and 60mm longer. The width doesn't look like a problem since it looks like you've got free space between the PSU and GPU. I think the depth will be okay using an Apogee Drive II; 40mm tall Apogee + 86mm thick PSU + 10mm clearance + 2mm-ish for mobo = 138mm between the PSU and back of mobo. Still less than the sideways 120 rad. Add a 3mm steel or alu mobo tray, plus 15mm for a 2.5mm HDD or SSD plus breathing room, and it looks like I can keep about the same case width of Compact Splash.

There's roughly 10-15mm between the 240 and psu, & psu and gpu. You'd have to increase case size quite a bit to use an atx psu... take a look at how close the gpu compression fittings are to the psu. The cpu fittings are similarly close. You also need airflow thru the 240 rad so you don't want to close that gap too much. It could be tweaked for an atx psu but imo its not worth it as you'd have to add the difference in size to every dimension of the case (length, height, width)... that's almost 9 more liters of case volume, a 60% increase in overall size vs. the 14.74L it is now.

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3) Could you measure the space between the right-angle fitting of the 240 rad and the lowest point along the front you can mount a rad? I wonder just how much space I have up front...
I'm considering whether adding another 30mm of case height and length would be worth it to have the rad fans pulling with shrouds vs pushing without. Single-fan setups at low speed tend to favor pull over push, and any configuration works better with shrouds. It might even allow enough space up front for a vertical Swiftech MCR120-QP Res (res up, inlet/outlet down) in place of the sideways EX120; trouble is I'd need 172mm between the 240's right-angle fitting and the front IO area. If the answer to question #3 is 172mm, I'm golden; I can replace the micro res with the rad-res and save one stop along the loop. In that case I'd probably go 120 rad/res --> GPU --> 240 rad --> CPU --> back to 120. Or reverse the order, pending whether the CPU or GPU puts out more heat when OC'd.

Pretty cool idea to consolidate components. If you dont need a discreet pump and res, all of a sudden you have plenty of room in front for a really thick rad or a push/pull or pull/shroud setup.

Not sure if there's 172mm height to work with in front (I doubt it... can verify this week). I'm thinking about ordering some addt'l parts to test fit before production to see if things like this are possible, and if not how difficult it would be to adjust for maximum component compatibility. Rads are going to be really tricky because they vary so much in size even though they're all "standard" 120 & 240 size.

@shrimpy - love your design man. Definitely some striking similarities, w/yours allowing for more powah (and hard drives)! thumb.gif
 
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First off, thanks for the response so far. Good info is always helpful. thumb.gif
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Order is pump>120 rad>240 rad>gpu>cpu>res>pump. Pretty simple... fillport is connected to the top of the res, drain is off one of the extra gpu ports. Rbby is right... order doesn't matter other than res>pump so I went with whatever was shortest/easiest to run. Fun fact: there's only 27 inches of tubing in the entire build. biggrin.gif

I just got done reading more about loop orders not especially mattering, and it seems counter-intuitive but I'll trust folks with engineering degrees and a lot more watercooling experience than my own superstitions. I will, however, be getting the tubing for loops both ways just to see for myself. "Trust but verify" and all that. biggrin.gif
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There's roughly 10-15mm between the 240 and psu, & psu and gpu. You'd have to increase case size quite a bit to use an atx psu... take a look at how close the gpu compression fittings are to the psu. The cpu fittings are similarly close. You also need airflow thru the 240 rad so you don't want to close that gap too much. It could be tweaked for an atx psu but imo its not worth it as you'd have to add the difference in size to every dimension of the case (length, height, width)... that's almost 9 more liters of case volume, a 60% increase in overall size vs. the 14.74L it is now.

The only part of that that worries me is the distance between the GPU fitting and the PSU. But, GPU blocks for a 7950 or 670 (still don't know which to get) are 110-120mm wide; with an 86mm thick PSU, this means I can theoretically mount it so that it is not flush with the case wall but leaves enough space for the GPU fitting and tube. I'm unfortunately a long way off in Sketchup skills to be able to model this to verify without having the components in-hand. In my idea the PSU would definitely be cutting it close to the rearmost 240 pull fan, partially obscuring it. The attraction of an ATX PSU is much greater ease of sleeving (compared to Silverstone's) and the option of a fanless 500W+ model that eliminates one source of noise entirely.

(The following measurements are me spitballing; no CAD talent means mental measurements and graph paper sketches are all I've got for this kinda thing. redface.gif )

Width: Seasonic's fanless ATX PSUs are 86mm thick. 50mm is needed for the Apogee Drive II (40mm + 10mm leeway). Assuming the bigger card, a 7950 block is about 120-125mm wide (roughly the same width as your 570 block). Allowing 15mm clearance from the PSU to the case wall and you should have enough space to route 1/2" tubing around the back of the PSU, though it won't be the cleanest look. Call the case walls 5mm thick. That's 5mm (wall) + 15mm (GPU fitting & tube space) + 86mm (PSU thickness) + 50mm (Apogee D2 + 10mm clearance) + 2mm (mobo thickness) = 158mm from the outside of the case wall to the back of the motherboard. Add 3mm (mobo tray) + 15mm (SSD & 2.5 HDD mounting clearance) + 5mm (opposite case wall) and you'd have a total case width of 181mm. All told, 16mm wider than Compact Splash.

Height: Adding 30mm of case height allows space for pull fans with shrouds on the top radiator. A Seasonic fanless ATX PSU is 25mm wider than Silverstone's SFX PSU. It looks like it would occupy the space already existing between the GPU and 240 rad, but that means it would almost butt up against, and therefore block, a significant portion of the 240's pull fans with 30mm shrouds attached. Adding another 10mm case height (40mm total) to create a 10mm gap between the PSU and 240 pull fan should be enough space. 5mm (case) + 170mm (mobo) + 30mm (2 expansion slots with some mobo overlap) + 90mm (shroud + fan + thin rad) + 20mm (widening the existing gap between PSU and 240 rad or fan by 10mm) + 5mm (case) = 320mm tall. Call it 330mm since I think I’m forgetting to account for something. 40mm taller than Comact Splash's 290mm.

Depth: Lengthen the case depth by 30mm. Allows for fan + shroud setups on the front rad. 340mm vs Compact Splash’s 310mm.

Total new case volume is 18L. Compact Splash is 14.74L. I think the smallest that this style can be made that would reasonably fit an ATX PSU is in the 16-17L range; the BBEG-version is done with fuzzy math just to accommodate fan shrouds, which I’ll sacrifice a little smallness for.
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Pretty cool idea to consolidate components. If you dont need a discreet pump and res, all of a sudden you have plenty of room in front for a really thick rad or a push/pull or pull/shroud setup.

Not sure if there's 172mm height to work with in front (I doubt it... can verify this week). I'm thinking about ordering some addt'l parts to test fit before production to see if things like this are possible, and if not how difficult it would be to adjust for maximum component compatibility. Rads are going to be really tricky because they vary so much in size even though they're all "standard" 120 & 240 size.

Yeah, consolidating components has a lot of appeal. Seeing that the loop order doesn’t seem to matter much, if at all (exception res > pump), the option to clean it up a little by removing one or two stops entirely is pretty cool. In my biggy-sized version anything to make it look cleaner would be a plus. lachen.gif

Regarding a production model, realistically, if you had no mind for ATX PSU use you’d only possibly need to add 10mm to the case length and height. It can already fit basically all 240mm rads across the top and all 120 rads on the front. Heck, it may even fit some 280 and 140 rads. It even has a shelf for a pump and res. A production version of Compact Splash as-is can fit about everything watercooling wise a user could want. In my opinion, I’d strongly consider expanding the case just enough to accommodate an ATX PSU; I don’t see it as a good idea to limit users to basically two PSUs, both of which are a PITA to sleeve/modify and would require it to fit well within the case.


Oh, and congrats on MTOM!
    
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Congrats buddy you really did deserve it I remember at the beginning of this build still and your very early designs and everything thumb.gif You should be very proud to have your rig showcased up on the home page there it really does look beautiful. You and Dwood really have done some amazing work together and now hopefully he can do some amazing work with others like me tongue.gif Congrats again cheers.gif
    
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