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I know you said that an acrylic panel will be available, but I was wondering if a hybrid metal/acrylic side panel could be included?

It would be awesome if you could make a panel that just had a small window in the side of it, like 6" diagonal or so, just to show off the hardware. I think it would look cleaner than the full-acrylic panel.

So pumped for the first production run so I can start my build.
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Thanks a bunch for looking into that combo again with the GTX 670 and 3.5" Drive! I cant wait to get my hands on one thumb.gif

:O CANADIANS IN THE LAST 3 POSTS AND EVEN ONE FROM VANCOUVER hehe
    
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Does that mean it will take a 3.5" and a 2.5" drive at the same time?
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Does that mean it will take a 3.5" and a 2.5" drive at the same time?

I believe so yes. However I am trying to find out where I would put the IO now... Its not ideal having to remove the IO but I have a 2TB 3.5" drive that is 1.5TB full so moving down would take some work... I will let SLE confirm this with the 500th post in this thread!

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Idc, 500th post biggrin.gif



Beautiful rig. I cant wait for the production run to start smile.gif
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Thanks guys for keeping up with the build. thumbsupsmiley.png
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I know you said that an acrylic panel will be available, but I was wondering if a hybrid metal/acrylic side panel could be included?

It would be awesome if you could make a panel that just had a small window in the side of it, like 6" diagonal or so, just to show off the hardware. I think it would look cleaner than the full-acrylic panel.

So pumped for the first production run so I can start my build.

That's a great idea, but I'm gonna leave customization like that to individuals' imaginations and modding abilities. Just like any other case if you're handy with a dremel or have another vision for what it should be - but the basic case takes you most of the way there tongue.gif - I would absolutely encourage that type of work. Nothing would make me happier than someone to make an even better build out of Compact Splash than my original. Honestly I don't consider myself that creative... I'm much better tackling a challenge like fitting all the components into a teeny box... stylization is a very individual thing so I think everyone will have a different vision of perfection. cheff.gif
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Does that mean it will take a 3.5" and a 2.5" drive at the same time?

Yep, looks like if you want to run a short-pcb vid card (<195mm) a 3.5" drive will fit in the front with a little shoehorning. I'll do some more precise measurements to see if front IO can be retained while using a 3.5" drive... not sure there's enough mm to spare tho.
 
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Thanks for the reply!

I'm glad you liked the idea of the window. The reason I asked is because I was hoping to do something like that, but a) have no experience with dremels or the like and b) I live in a small downtown condo where cutting steel inside is generally frowned upon. I was hoping I could convince you or Dwood to do it for me at an extra cost tongue.gif. I definitely have some 'big' things planned for this case.

I think it would be awesome if you could retain the I/O with a 3.5" drive, although I see how it would be hard. I haven't see enough of the design renders, but maybe there is a way to put the I/O on top of the front fan grill, instead of under it? If you could somehow make a 3.5" drive work with the I/O, you'll have a significantly greater appeal to the mass-market. Lots of guys running 2TB mech + SSD solutions these days. I definitely understand why it is such a challenge though. Sorry, I'm in marketing, this is just what I do.
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Haha I have a lot of experience with marketing too (done advertising & marketing for 10 yrs). I think the counter-point to the argument of making Splash as widely usable as possible is tempered by the original purpose: going small! There's a practical cap to how much can fit into 14.5L, and it's one that gets more complicated the more you try to accommodate different hardware. IMO the beauty of the design is its simplicity.. it's necessary to cut anything not needed in a case this small, both in terms of structural components and space for hardware. Speaking from experience it's a very easy case to work within because of that... components are tucked towards the back and sides with the exception of the PSU which goes in last. Wiring is very direct because of the small size and placement of the PSU (not great for looks, but very practical for hooking everything up).

I do love the ideas that have come up and many of them I haven't thought of before so it's a fun challenge to see if there's a way to give it that extra appeal. The 3.5" drive is interesting and very close to working so I'll do my best to make that work in the final design.

It's not looking so good for the ATX PSU, though. cryingsmiley.gif

Here's a side-by-side to show scale of ATX v. SFX (pay particular attention to the depth, 160mm v. 100mm):



And here it is situated in the case the only way it'll work: snugged up to both the 240 rad and GPU fittings, with 60mm hanging out the rear.



(^^you can see the SFX shape is still there for reference).



At first I thought this would be a pretty elegant workaround. Simply cut the opening larger than ATX and supply two brackets to attach either an ATX or SFX PSU (Lian Li makes something like that for $20). If using an SFX PSU, it fits just like the current design. If ATX, it hangs out the back... not ideal, but functional.

But with a case this small the overhang overpowers the rest of the case... there's no hiding that brick hanging off the back. And I haven't even tried to build the bracket in yet.

What bothers me just as much (if not more) is the the proximity of the ATX supply to everything around it: CPU and GPU fittings and 240 rad. Airflow thru that part of the rad is gonna suck, and with only 3-4 mm between all those parts I could see some serious compatibility issues arising from different fittings or blocks. I'm really close to abandoning ATX but wanted to show you guys that I tried! There might still be a way to make it work but don't be surprised if it ends up on the cutting room floor. buttkick.gif

Back to the window mod real quick (I got a little distracted tongue.gif ), the biggest problem with a cutout window is the extra hardware that would need to be added. That's why I made the entire sidepanel acrylic. I was originally doing a more typical steel frame with window insert, but fastening it within the panel added 4-8 fasteners and a lot more threaded holes. Read: it was getting expensive and complicated. Dwood is the king of custom, as you know so there may be a way to do something like that as an add-on but I probably won't add it as an option for the batch order because its not something that can really be standardized. IE, the case could be ordered with one of the standard side panel options, and another order made directly with Dwood for the custom parts you want.

The other thing I'm trying to be cognizant of is timing. I want to get this finalized ASAP (this week if possible) so that we can move onto ordering and production. By and large the original design is good so I'm trying not to overthink it too much. Not an easy task as you can see. wink.gif
 
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I think mostly that people just don't trust the Silverstone SFX units
1) They might think 450W is not enough (but it is)
2) They've heard it's noisy and don't want to void warranty by replacing the fan with e.g. Noiseblocker PC-P 80x15.
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I'll add 3) they already own an ATX psu and want to reuse it. IMO this is a more valid concern than the two you mentioned, tho you're right that they are a concern for some. I have both modular and non-modular Silverstone's in my two rigs and have no noise or power issues from either of them. I think by now the issues with the first batch of gold PSUs has been fixed.
 
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