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Hi, can anyone help me with a question that I cant find a answer to anywhere on the net......

Does the surge protection wear out in UPS's like with surge protectors??

I have a Belkin 1200va with AVR UPS thats about 6 yrs old now and its coming up to its 2nd batt change. But if the surge protection is worn out, there's no point replacing the batts, or can I plug the UPS into a surge protector?

It depends what the UPS is using for surge suppression. If it is standard MOVs then yes, they will wear out. Can you post the exact model of the UPS please.

Though after 6 years I'd probably say pick up a new unit regardless.
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It depends what the UPS is using for surge suppression. If it is standard MOVs then yes, they will wear out. Can you post the exact model of the UPS please.

Though after 6 years I'd probably say pick up a new unit regardless.

The model is F6C120xxUNV and heres a review of a 800va belkin ups, the same as mine but the batt backup isn't as good, but it lets you have a good look inside. http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1062977

Its a good UPS as its never failed to not keep my PC running during power cut and storms, so I would like to keep it if possible, plus I cant really afford another UPS really, but if the surge protection works using MOV, can I just buy a surge protector?
Edited by phil2014 - 3/7/14 at 4:31am
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I can't find a spec sheet but it is most likely using MOVs. Its fine to plug a surge protected power strip into the UPS.
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I can't find a spec sheet but it is most likely using MOVs. Its fine to plug a surge protected power strip into the UPS.

Here are the Specs

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I have just bought the Belkin Surgemaster 1-way cube (1181 joules), so to plug my UPS and router adsl cables in.

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Hi, I have a question, recently I purchased an UPS branded: FSP FP series 800va/480w ups...

I've done a dry run if my ups does what says it does...

on idle, like my pc is just turned on and not doing anything, when I unplugged my UPS, the battery back-up was long enough to shut down (i've not tested it though how long it'll last)

but here's the problem I encountered.

I've decided to stress my rig, I played battle field 4 in a high setting, my phantom 530 nzxt fan controller on full high setting, nzxt kraken x60 on extreme fan setting and activate GPU booster (Msi Motherboard feature)

when I unplugged the ups to the main power, the back up power(battery) was activated, my rig didn't shut down for a while, but unable to last long to shutdown safely, in short, my battery back up time is too short to handle such power draw....

my retailer said, my rig's system and my UPS has the right amount of power capacity, they said it can also handle a 600va ups only, but they advised me to overshoot it for 800va so it should handle such draw even I am gaming, and can backup it up for several minutes for proper shut down

now the question is,

why is this happening? is my retailer advice is wrong? or the back-up battery is defective? should i get a higher UPS? i don't mind a higher back up time, i just only need right amount of time to shutdown my pc properly

NOTE: i charged my ups for about 10hours, and the only component plugged in my UPS is only my CPU (no monitor, speakers, etc.)

please help me... i need a true and honest advice badly.... (I don't like overpricing)

this is my rig:

processor: intel core i5-4670k
cpu cooler: NZXT kraken x60
motherboard: MSi z87-g45gaming
gpu: sapphire r9-270x toxic 2gb 256bit
RAM: G-skill ripjawsX 8gb (4gbx2) 1600 cl9
HDD: 1tb western digital caviar 7200rpm
PSU: corsair RM650, 650w 80+gold fully modular
casing: NZXT phantom 530
dvd: lite-on dvd muliformat writer
KB+M: cm storm devastator
Monitor: ASUS MX239h

future plans:

1. overclocking
2. purchasing fans and peripherals such as:
a. speaker+subwoofer (logitech surround sound z506 5.1)
b. NZXT HUE RGB LED controller
c. Bitfenix FAN and LED controller switch
d. (3) 120mm led fans (bitfenix spectre pro)
(2) 140mm led fans (bitfenix spectre pro)
(3) 200mm led fanz (NZXT FZ200)

please base your advice in my specs and my future plans, because that is exacltly what i'm gonna do, so I want an UPS that will suit my specs so i won't have any problem in the future... thank you very much for your kind reply. smile.gif please do help me...

i just need the right capacity for my rig and future plan, (e.g "your rig and your future plan can be handled by an UPS with ****va capacity / ***watts capacity)

my knowledge in computer is just basic, i'm an enthusiast gamer and i always dreamed of having a rig that is beautiful to show it off and post some picture here.. but my depth of knowledge about systems or whatsoever is close to none.... in short, i'm a beginner on this such complicated computer systems. so i'm having a hard time to understand the reviews or blogs about choosing an ups.... that rig also was not built by me, i consulted several people and that is the end product of it, though it was my personal choices, without the advice of other people, I don't have any idea how to choose the right parts I have to purchase....
Edited by marcski07 - 4/7/14 at 5:33pm
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The model is F6C120xxUNV and heres a review of a 800va belkin ups, the same as mine but the batt backup isn't as good, but it lets you have a good look inside. http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1062977

Its a good UPS as its never failed to not keep my PC running during power cut and storms, so I would like to keep it if possible, plus I cant really afford another UPS really, but if the surge protection works using MOV, can I just buy a surge protector?

hello can you tell me what system do you have? i have 800va/480 FSP ups. but my battery back up time is too short to shutdown properly when i am gaming. It was like when I unplugged my ups to the main line, just for 2-3 seconds, it'll turn off. I played bf4 because i know it is the most demanding game i have to stress my pc and know the full capacity of my pc and the ups, sadly, my ups can't handle it... frown.gif
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Just to reply to your post marcski07

My system:
i5 2500k @3.3ghz (overclocked to 4.3ghz)
16GB DDR 3 memory
HIS 2GB 6950 GPU
2 HDD's, 1 SSD
Corsair 620watt PSU

My UPS is a Belkin 1200va/670watt with AVR and this is whats connected......

PC
28" LCD monitor
router
speakers
external usb hdd (not normally turned on)
printer (not normally turned on)

Now Ive got one of these plug in power monitor things that tell you how much power your using, I did a few tests with the UPS plugged in to it and heres my findings........
Idling in windows 183watts
Idling in windows 110watts without screen on
330 watts running furmark
300watts running furmark + burntest

So my ups will last about 20mins if just messing or idling in windows and about 10mins or so when gaming. With your 480watts UPS your either going over the maximum wattage that it can produce while gaming if it only last for a few seconds or the batts are knackered. You need a UPS that's 50-65% loaded to get a decent batt time when gaming.

So I suggest you to buy one of these plugin power monitor things, you can get them for about £10 on ebay. Plug your UPS into it and see how meny watts your using when your gaming. Then buy a UPS that has about 40% more wattage.smile.gif

Hope this makes sense to you.
Edited by phil2014 - 4/7/14 at 6:45pm
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Just to reply to your post marcski07

My system:
i5 2500k @3.3ghz (overclocked to 4.3ghz)
16GB DDR 3 memory
HIS 2GB 6950 GPU
2 HDD's, 1 SSD
Corsair 620watt PSU

My UPS is a Belkin 1200va/670watt with AVR and this is whats connected......

PC
28" LCD monitor
router
speakers
external usb hdd (not normally turned on)
printer (not normally turned on)

Now Ive got one of these plug in power monitor things that tell you how much power your using, I did a few tests with the UPS plugged in to it and heres my findings........
Idling in windows 183watts
Idling in windows 110watts without screen on
330 watts running furmark
300watts running furmark + burntest

So my ups will last about 20mins if just messing or idling in windows and about 10mins or so when gaming. With your 480watts UPS your either going over to the maximum wattage that it can produce while gaming if it only last for a few seconds or the batts are knackered. You need a UPS that's 50-65% loaded to get a decent batt time when gaming.

So I suggest you to buy one of these plugin power monitor things, you can get them for about £10 on ebay. Plug your UPS into it and see how meny watts your using when your gaming. Then buy a UPS that has about 40% more wattage.smile.gif

Hope this makes sense to you.

well thanks, i don't think my rig is going beyond 480watts. because my ups is doing just fine when i stress my computer, but i don't know the total load it produces that makes the back-up battery fails to sustain...

this is my rig:

processor: intel core i5-4670k
cpu cooler: NZXT kraken x60
motherboard: MSi z87-g45gaming
gpu: sapphire r9-270x toxic 2gb 256bit
RAM: G-skill ripjawsX 8gb (4gbx2) 1600 cl9
HDD: 1tb western digital caviar 7200rpm
PSU: corsair RM650, 650w 80+gold fully modular
casing: NZXT phantom 530
dvd: lite-on dvd muliformat writer
KB+M: cm storm devastator
Monitor: ASUS 23" MX239h

future plans:

1. overclocking
2. purchasing fans and peripherals such as:
a. speaker+subwoofer (logitech surround sound z506 5.1)
b. NZXT HUE RGB LED controller
c. Bitfenix FAN and LED controller switch
d. (3) 120mm led fans (bitfenix spectre pro)
(2) 140mm led fans (bitfenix spectre pro)
(3) 200mm led fanz (NZXT FZ200)

i'm planning to just plug my system, and monitor only or probably speakers... depends on what ups you suggest... 1500va is way beyond my price range, i cud just stretch 1000va ups prices...

and what is knackered? tongue.gif not so good in english. tongue.gif
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well thanks, i don't think my rig is going beyond 480watts. because my ups is doing just fine when i stress my computer, but i don't know the total load it produces that makes the back-up battery fails to sustain...

this is my rig:

processor: intel core i5-4670k
cpu cooler: NZXT kraken x60
motherboard: MSi z87-g45gaming
gpu: sapphire r9-270x toxic 2gb 256bit
RAM: G-skill ripjawsX 8gb (4gbx2) 1600 cl9
HDD: 1tb western digital caviar 7200rpm
PSU: corsair RM650, 650w 80+gold fully modular
casing: NZXT phantom 530
dvd: lite-on dvd muliformat writer
KB+M: cm storm devastator
Monitor: ASUS 23" MX239h

future plans:

1. overclocking
2. purchasing fans and peripherals such as:
a. speaker+subwoofer (logitech surround sound z506 5.1)
b. NZXT HUE RGB LED controller
c. Bitfenix FAN and LED controller switch
d. (3) 120mm led fans (bitfenix spectre pro)
(2) 140mm led fans (bitfenix spectre pro)
(3) 200mm led fanz (NZXT FZ200)

i'm planning to just plug my system, and monitor only or probably speakers... depends on what ups you suggest... 1500va is way beyond my price range, i cud just stretch 1000va ups prices...

and what is knackered? tongue.gif not so good in english. tongue.gif

How old is your UPS? The batteries might need replacing. Don't expect more than 5-10 minutes though as the consumer products are only designed for safe shutdown, not long periods of run time.

Of course a larger UPS will provide more run time because it has higher capacity batteries, but they can get fairly expensive.

And knackered basically means tired smile.gif
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