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Try this out.

http://howsecureismypassword.net/

My highest level security password will take 2 trillion years for a computer to crack it smile.gif
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post

Terrible pun..... tongue.gif
passphrase!

Oh I know, I am bad LOL.

Oh... mentioned pass phrase in my first post here. Agreed!
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Originally Posted by NewHighScore View Post

Try this out.
http://howsecureismypassword.net/
My highest level security password will take 2 trillion years for a computer to crack it smile.gif
my 5 highest will take 61 trillion years

the same phrase in just eng will tale 8 million years

guess 3 language passwords are the way to go thumb.gif
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Passwords, on the whole, are a crappy way of authentication. We've basically painted ourselves into a corner where we're forced to use non-memorable passwords and encouraged to use different passwords for different authentication requests (websites, ftp, PC logins, etc) - which exponentially compounds the already tricky situation of having to memories all these access codes. So people are forced to do the worst thing imaginable, and write them all down.

We really need a better, unified system for authentication. Perhaps a central key agent (like Facebook, but using keys instead of passwords - and not held by Facebook as their track record for security is laughable).

This is another reason why I love SSH so much. You can have 1 SSH key that cannot cracked by any known attack, add a decent passphrase to further protect you in case the unlikely situation happens were your keys are stolen, and then import them into your key agent for reuse during your session.

Sadly these days, most people are 'secured' by obscurity frown.gif


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oh, and don't get me started on websites that use easily searched information for password recovery. I remember closing one online bank account because they used "what was your first pets name" as a security question. I'd laugh if I wasn't so scared that my money was being looked after by those morons.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NewHighScore View Post

Try this out.
http://howsecureismypassword.net/
My highest level security password will take 2 trillion years for a computer to crack it smile.gif

desktop computer. Attackers wouldn't use a desktop computer though, they'd offload the processing into the farm and take advantage of clustered processing. So we're talking several orders of magnitude faster than your average desktop PC.
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Originally Posted by NewHighScore View Post

Try this out.
http://howsecureismypassword.net/
My highest level security password will take 2 trillion years for a computer to crack it smile.gif

That's assuming sequential brute force..... and who does that anymore?



Actually, I read an article a few years back.....
1) Hackers could intercept non-volatile user data like SSNs, birthdays, etc. but are unable to access them due to encryption.
2) So... they could just store the dataset.
3) Then in the future, they can try cracking them when compute power goes down and/or flaws are discovered in the cipher (like in the case of DES or double DES).
4) The value of the data remains so having it later is still valuable.
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desktop computer. Attackers wouldn't use a desktop computer though, they'd offload the processing into the farm and take advantage of clustered processing. So we're talking several orders of magnitude faster than your average desktop PC.

Indeed, that site can go smoke a cone (am I allowed to use such a phrase here...? LOL)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post

That's assuming sequential brute force..... and who does that anymore?
Actually, I read an article a few years back.....
1) Hackers could intercept non-volatile user data like SSNs, birthdays, etc. but are unable to access them due to encryption.
2) So... they could just store the dataset.
3) Then in the future, they can try cracking them when compute power goes down and/or flaws are discovered in the cipher (like in the case of DES or double DES).
4) The value of the data remains so having it later is still valuable.

There are already known issues with some implementations of some ciphers. IIRC I centred around SSL and other such certificate / key based encryption methods where keys were based on random characters. The issue is computers cannot do random numbers (they fake randomness using arbitrary calculations against the current date and time) and thus some certs used a predictable set of "random" characters and thus could be cracked.
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Indeed, that site can go smoke a cone (am I allowed to use such a phrase here...? LOL)

Heh, No one outside of Australia or perhaps New Zealand would take offense

If I were at home I'd post that cartoon about how passwords are easier for computers to guess these days, but harder for people to remember.

Long live the PassPhrase as far as I am concerned. I hate being forced to use special characters. For one it makes the password harder to type in so more users don't type them in that quickly. If some one was watching their keyboard they could easily figure out what they are typing.

requiring a number isn't a big deal though...but I think a requirement that a password must be at least 12 characters long is a better idea
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 9/13/12 at 7:10am
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508 quadrillion years

20 characters, and oddly enough, it something very basic I just thought of yesterday.

My normal eight "digit" common use passphrase would take 20 days. Yay...

16 periods would take 2,000 years. Lol.

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