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its intel, they can go at whatever pace they want, there is no other company to push them to release new advantageous products
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Originally Posted by mnkeyprince View Post

its intel, they can go at whatever pace they want, there is no other company to push them to release new advantageous products

Your mindset is of desktop CPUs which is largely becoming a non factor in mainstream purchases. Mobile computing is the future and intel is aggressively pushing to combat the likes of ARM, which has been FAR more successful than intel in the mobile space.

With this being the case, you can bet your money that intel is being super aggressive at getting smaller chips with better graphics performance out on the market - Apple is the very reason that intel is so aggressively pursuing graphics performance with their iGPU. This is where the mainstream market is going, and stating that intel is just complacent in this respect is incorrect.
Edited by xoleras - 9/13/12 at 5:26pm
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blahblahblahblah Mobile is where the money is.

Like a broken record.


"The money" is in enterprise, and it always has been -- more now than ever thanks to the bevy of cloud services.
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Are you kidding? The desktop CPU is becoming yesterday's news and intel will continue to release products, their main focus is mobile computing and visual computing. Don't think for a second that AMD has any bearing on what intel does, intel is focused on MOBILE - think tablets, ultrabooks, phones. AMD is irrelevant to intel, intel will supply chips to apple for whatever their next product is regardless of what AMD is doing.
Desktop is yesterday's news to the "average" consumer. Nobody cares anymore. Even if AMD goes out of business , Apple and ARM will continue to push intel into releasing lower power, faster chips with better graphics performance - intel doesn't care about desktop CPU performance and hasn't for a while. Case in point, the IPC increase between sandy bridge > ivy bridge > haswell is minimal. They are focused on graphics performance and lower power use in mobile computing products. That's what the public wants and that's what intel is focused on, AMD desktop processors are laughable, intel doesn't care.
I'm 99% sure intel is more concerned about ARM than they are with AMD. Mobile is where the money is.

AMD made the strong push before Intel did with their Llano chips. Intel is not quite ahead of AMD in terms of balanced CPU/iGPU power, and behind in terms of raw iGPU power in the mobile space.
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I just hope Broadwell is compatible with socket 1150. I would hate to upgrade next year to Haswell to know it will be another one-time use socket like my 1156.

I believe Broadwell is supposed to utilize DDR4, so it most likely won't be socket compatible with Haswell. I highly doubt Broadwell will include both DDR3 and DDR4 controllers.
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Originally Posted by sub50hz View Post

Like a broken record.
"The money" is in enterprise, and it always has been -- more now than ever thanks to the bevy of cloud services.

And enterprise is always interested in low power and efficient solutions, which is also what is important for mobile. On the consumer side, mobile is where it is at.
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CPUs have gone no where in the past 3 years.
Elaborate, you fiend.
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Like a broken record.
"The money" is in enterprise, and it always has been -- more now than ever thanks to the bevy of cloud services.

Is this why intel lowered their Q3 profit outlook while simultaneously stating that their enterprise sales are extremely strong? It doesn't add up.

Consumer products are profitable, and consumer products are headed to mobile - so intel is likewise headed there. I don't think this statement is in dispute.

Look -- I love the desktop and intel will continue producing desktop parts for some time. However, that is not their number one focus at this time, like it or not the desktop is a fading beast for the average consumer. So with that in mind, that is why i'm saying the notion that intel is "holding back" on their development cycles is ridiculous - they are already being killed by ARM in mobile sales. As of today they still haven't made much headway in tablet and phone chips - and they would like to change this, i'm sure.
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Is this why intel lowered their Q3 profit outlook while simultaneously stating that their enterprise sales are extremely strong? It doesn't add up.

That's not what they said. http://www.siliconrepublic.com/business/item/29116-intel-lowers-revenue-outloo


Clients provide more of Intel's revenue, but enterprise has the best margins, iirc. http://www.zdnet.com/datacenter-revenues-drive-intel-growth-7000001216/
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Don't be surprised, they have 5nm transistors mapped out for 2019

"According to the company, future production processes down to 5 nm are on the horizon and will most likely be reached without significant problems. Following the current 22 nm process, Intel's manufacturing cadence suggests that the first 14 nm products will arrive in late 2013, 10 nm in 2015, 7 nm in 2017, and 5 nm in 2019. A slight adjustment has been made to include different production processes for traditional processors and now SoCs. The company previously indicated that SoCs will be accelerated to catch up with the process applied to Intel's main processor products.

According to reports, Intel does not see any reason to believe that Moore's Law, which is really more an accepted guideline and observation rather an actual "law", will be breached by the company within 10 years, which indicates that Intel has visibility even beyond 5 nm. At this time, Intel has 14 nm in development, and 10 nm manufacturing in its research phase.

Also, Intel said that it is planning to move from 300 mm to 450 mm production wafers, but this switch is still about five years out. There was no information on the introduction of EUV lithography. "

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Basically, Intel is designing and manufacturing faster, more efficient CPUs for themselves so that they can design and manufacture faster, more efficient CPUs faster and more efficiently. thumb.gif

hahahaha thumb.gif
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So - we're now making transistors smaller than than a ribosome..... anyone have any other things they can think of that are about 14nm across? Somewhat amazing, really.
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