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CPUs have gone no where in the past 3 years.

Compared to what and in what ways are you referring to?
     
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It's like an Olympian who is capable of obliterating a current world record, but since their sponsor gives them a million dollars every time they break the record by any amount, it's in their best interest to only break the world record in the smallest increments possible.

Intel could probably be getting 20% performance gains on a yearly basis, but that would be what's best for consumers, not what's best for Intel.
I guess I don't inherently disagree with the best CPU manufacturer in the world making lots of money for being the best CPU manufacturer in the world, but as an enthusiast it's kind of painful to know that everything on the market right now could be way better than it currently is.
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It's like an Olympian who is capable of obliterating a current world record, but since their sponsor gives them a million dollars every time they break the record by any amount, it's in their best interest to only break the world record in the smallest increments possible.
Intel could probably be getting 20% performance gains on a yearly basis, but that would be what's best for consumers, not what's best for Intel.
I guess I don't inherently disagree with the best CPU manufacturer in the world making lots of money for being the best CPU manufacturer in the world, but as an enthusiast it's kind of painful to know that everything on the market right now could be way better than it currently is.

Don't underestimate the need to verify designs. The hardest parts in the design aren't the ideas; it's testing. Once the logic is decided on, as many test cases as possible must be checked. They can sometimes be mathematically verified, but often the complexity dictates that the only viable solution is to test, test, test and then hope that everything was caught (or things like the Pentium FDIV bug or the Phenom TLB bug happen). Once the chip has tapped out, it's too late. That said, the more things that change in an iteration, the greater the chance of creating new bugs. Launched chips all have hordes of bugs, errata as it's called (Here's the i7 900's list (PDF) which is 55 pages of bugs with lots of them not having workarounds).

Once all the known bugs are fixed, the design is tweaked again to better fit the fabrication process, but once again, there are new bugs that crop up causing a new round of testing.

And the testing continues...
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It's like an Olympian who is capable of obliterating a current world record, but since their sponsor gives them a million dollars every time they break the record by any amount, it's in their best interest to only break the world record in the smallest increments possible.

People come up with the craziest analogies on the interwebs.

Actually, Intel would make the most money if they made huge improvements with every new chip; making every chip a must have upgrade.
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People come up with the craziest analogies on the interwebs.
Actually, Intel would make the most money if they made huge improvements with every new chip; making every chip a must have upgrade.

Your wrong..........

Hardware is already well far ahead of software development and even intels 3-4 yr old cpu's can still eat through anything todays software can throw at them, More performance is not needed, Die hard intel fans who want the latest and greatest will continue to buy the latest tech no matter how small the increase in performance is, Even uncle nob head in the local pc store will buy whatever intel has just released as it's "new" regardless of raw performance
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Software is made for hardware. Not the other way around.
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Are you kidding? The desktop CPU is becoming yesterday's news and intel will continue to release products, their main focus is mobile computing and visual computing. Don't think for a second that AMD has any bearing on what intel does, intel is focused on MOBILE - think tablets, ultrabooks, phones. AMD is irrelevant to intel, intel will supply chips to apple for whatever their next product is regardless of what AMD is doing.
Desktop is yesterday's news to the "average" consumer. Nobody cares anymore. Even if AMD goes out of business , Apple and ARM will continue to push intel into releasing lower power, faster chips with better graphics performance - intel doesn't care about desktop CPU performance and hasn't for a while. Case in point, the IPC increase between sandy bridge > ivy bridge > haswell is minimal. They are focused on graphics performance and lower power use in mobile computing products. That's what the public wants and that's what intel is focused on, AMD desktop processors are laughable, intel doesn't care.
I'm 99% sure intel is more concerned about ARM than they are with AMD. Mobile is where the money is.

Bingo. Mobile is where it's at, whether we like it or not.

Intel will put their R&D into mobile chips because more and more people are on the go
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Software is made for hardware. Not the other way around.

Exactly but where is the software to match the raw performance of todays hardware........... rolleyes.gif
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Exactly but where is the software to match the raw performance of todays hardware........... rolleyes.gif

OpenCL has been added to a surprising amount of programs in support of AMD's APUs. But if you want to go farther back multi core support is the norm, and 64bit support is pretty widespread.

Don't think that progress has stopped, we are just nearing the end of this phase in the CPUs history.
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Actually , desktop PC sales have declined quarterly by a large margin for some time now. As such, mobile products such as ultrabooks (which is what you would do a report on), tablets, etc are the majority of consumer sales. I'm not saying I like it, that's just the reality however. That said, desktop will exist for a long time because it does offer better performance - but the typical buyer who just wants something to browse the web and do school work on probably won't buy a desktop.
So the point is, intel is not holding back on node developments because it is super important for them to make more headway in mobile products. Desktop will be a distant secondary consideration compared to selling chips for tablets/phones/etc - right now ARM is a fierce competitor.

I was not reffering to ARM, Desktop PC sales are relatively stable, they haven't declined hardly at all.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://tech.blorge.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/isuppli-pc-sales-chart.jpg&imgrefurl=http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%2520/2009/07/14/2009-pc-sales-set-to-drop-despite-windows-7-release/&h=284&w=414&sz=79&tbnid=g2uyi4uc9hRNaM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=126&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddesktop%2BPC%2Bsales%2Bby%2Byear%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=desktop+PC+sales+by+year&usg=__9GvLWLcbvYDlf3Le9i9yvmzAAbA=&hl=en&sa=X&ei=s-hbUJWFMsfByQH4nYCQBg&ved=0CCEQ9QEwAw

Also, most market analyist frequently leave out market saturation. Laptops and mobile are not going to replace dedicated workstations. Lots of companys needs these units, becuase frankly, a laptop just won't cut it. If your talking about the general consumer, ehh, its a hard call. a 3-5% change in sales annually isn't really much of anything. The automotive industry swings like that as well, in cycles.

Its a hypersensitivity to normally existing market conditions. Allot of the "perceived drop" has occured during one of the biggest economic criss's globally since the great depression.

Arm has phones and tablet, big deal.
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