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9/18/12 at 1:26pm
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9/18/12 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by theseekeroffun View Post

Keep the AP-30's as they give you more flexibility and push - pull is great if you have the room.
With regard to the SLI bridge, acrylic is your friend.

Well, since I only had 6 of the AP-30's, I planned to put all 6 of those in my [Build Log] Project White Ranger - 24/7 Team Competition i7 Folder machine.

I already bought 9 new AP-14's and have them ready to go. My only question really is, should I buy 9 more and go for a "push/pull" on the 3 RX360's or just do "Push" only.

Space isn't really an issue since all three of the RX360's will be in an external radiator stand.

I already have a 6 channel speed controller and I could move that over to the "White Ranger" and continue to control the AP-30's.

But that would leave me having to look for a solution to power either 9 or 18 AP-14 fans (at 0.049A each, that will be 0.441A for 9 or 0.882A for 18) and figure out how to have my 2 (maybe I'll add a third or more) water temperature sensor.

I don't have a good idea on how to control/power/display that many fans. Most of the 3-pin distribution boards only have at most 8 sets of pins, so even going with 2 of those won't really work well either.
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9/18/12 at 4:05pm
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Now I'm thinking about just adding a seperate power supply for the external radiator stand. Right now I have a 4-pin Molex extension cable running from my computer to the radiator stand. If I expand this thing the way I am thinking, it very well might end up over taxing my 1000 watt PSU if I add a 3rd GTX 580 card later on.

So, if my calculations are correct, I need at least 4.882A at 12VDC (58.584 watts) to power 2 MCP655 pumps and 18 Gentle Typhoon AP-14 fans.



For either $19.74 or $27.76, I can get an AC to 12VDC power supply (I've used them at work for various products) that is either 72 watts or 102 watts respectively.

Meanwell RS-75-12 72 Watt @ 12VDC

Meanwell RS-100-12 102 Watt @ 12VDC

They are relatively small, either 5.1" (or 6.3") by 3.9" by 1.5". I just have to find a spot to hide it. Most likely were the 6-channel fan controller is right now, as this would take it's place (aside from displaying FAN RPM, which will be fixed at 1450, and water temperature). Maybe I can find a simple multi-channel thermocoupler display somewhere.



[Edit]

Actually, I think I might go this route.



12VDC at 8A. External (don't have to worry about water leaking into the open power supply), and all I have to do is mount an on off switch and a bulkhead 5.5mm ID connector to the radiator stand. Best of all, it's only $18 shipped.
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9/18/12 at 6:02pm
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Well, after mulling things over, I think I'm just going to bite the bullet and order 9 more Gentle Typhoon AP-14 fans from FrozenCPU.com tomorrow.

I may as well do this thing right. 3 RX360's and 18 AP-14 1450RPM fans sounds about right for typical OCN Overkill. thumb.gif
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9/18/12 at 9:46pm
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Well, after talking with Mark over at FrozenCPU.com, he helped me straighten out me not checking an option for the 9 Gentle Typhoon AP-14 fans I ordered last week. I had them pre-sleeved in black, but forgot to check off the option to change the white 3-pin connector to black, so everything blends in nicely.

Anyway, because of his excellent help, and awesome customer service I got from FrozenCPU.com, I went ahead and ordered 9 more Gentle Typhoon AP-14 fans, and some other "goodies" to help this build along.

I've solved my temperature display issue. I've ordered an XSPC 5.25" Dual Bay Temperature Sensor Mount and 2 of the Blue Thermal-Star Illuminated Thermometers.

This should look sweet on the radiator stand ...






This will allow me to move over my Kaze Master Pro controller and 6 Gentle Typhoon AP-30 fans over to my other project build, "White Ranger".
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You know you got computers on the brain when you are laying in bed at 2 in the morning and suddenly think to yourself ... OMG, how loud will this thing be? Should I have ordered 18 AP-13 or AP-12 fans instead?

Well, after running some numbers, it really doesn't matter much. Pretty much the most noise will be generated from the 2 MCP655 pumps, which puts out about 33dBA each.

9 800RPM fans AP-12 @ 9dBA = 18.54dBA (36.08dBA w/2 MCP655 pumps) = 28.25 CFM per = ~120 Watts @ 10C
18 800RPM fans AP-12 @ 9dBA = 21.52dBA (36.15dBA w/2 MCP655 pumps) = 28.25 CFM per = ~140 Watts @ 10C

9 1150RPM fans AP-13 @ 16dBA = 25.54dBA (36.37dBA w/2 MCP655 pumps) = 37 CFM per = ~160 Watts @ 10C
18 1150RPM fans AP-13 @ 16dBA = 28.52dBA (36.72dBA w/2 MCP655 pumps) = 37 CFM per = ~190 Watts @ 10C

9 1450RPM fans AP-14 @ 21dBA = 30.54dBA (37.08dBA w/2 MCP655 pumps) = 50 CFM per = ~215 Watts @ 10C
18 1450RPM fans AP-14 @ 21dBA = 33.52dBA (37.94dBA w/2 MCP655 pumps) = 50 CFM per = ~260 Watts @ 10C


For those that don't already have this site, you might want to book mark it. It is simply wonderful for calculating noise.

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47 Knuck.I do hear a lot about people complaining about pump noise.One good thing about me having such dimished hearing is,I cannot hear the pump.I ask,can the pump really be heard in a loop?

Knuck,is there something similar to the temp display that holds a single bay fan controller?(really two single bay controllers) My build is a test station and I am looking for a way to mount my fan speed controllers and I do not want the "ghetto" look.Thanks
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Quote:
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47 Knuck.I do hear a lot about people complaining about pump noise.One good thing about me having such dimished hearing is,I cannot hear the pump.I ask,can the pump really be heard in a loop?

Well, right now, I got 6 Gentle Typhoon AP-30 fans running (normally they are 4250RPM fans, but I have them dialed back to 1410RPM) with 1 MCP655 pump, and standing 2 feet away, I can't hear the fans at all over the slight noise of the pump.

I still have very good hearing. I just had it checked about 9 months ago, and aside from a little bit of hearing loss at the upper end, which is normal the older you get.

And to put it in perspective, the "klackity klack" of my non-mechanical keyboard (not to mention the oscillating fan I have on in the office) is louder than the pump and 6 Gentle Typhoons.
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Well, I got my package from Fastenal today.

This photo does not do justice to how beautiful the hardware looks. The black coating is REALLY black, and doesn't come off easily (unlike painting your own screws, even after 48 hours of dry time and 2 hours under a heat light).

I ordered both flat head and button head ones and they are simply incredible looking together. The picture on the Fastenal page looks better, but I can confirm they look "that good". I will definitely be using Fastenal hardware from now on. thumb.gif

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I really loaded up on various lenght and head type 6/32's, 8/32's and 4X.7mm.Since the Black Ice people are fond of 4mm I convert alot of radiators over to 4mmX.7.Let me go get a price on the 50 4mmX.7 I bought to secure a 38mm fan on top of a 38mm spacer

EDIT: they were 186.00 for 100 and I bought 50
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