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Well, it helps if the hardware company provides some basis for drivers.
Of course, Android can technically run on Intel chips.... it is just how long until it runs well?
That was a typo.... Intel does not want ARM (not Android) creeping into x86. They are following the trend to support Android though. It is Microsoft that does not want Android creeping into laptops.

But as I said before, nvidia provides drivers that mostly useless. Android runs perfectly find on intel chips. Just ask anyone that bought a medfield phone. It has great performance, ok battery life for battery size.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5770/lava-xolo-x900-review-the-first-intel-medfield-phone

As for the rest, I have one question. If intel was trying to keep arm out of x86 computing, why are they arm's number one buyer? They bought over 600 million dollars in chips in 2010, about 4 times larger then apple. Samsung, which is the number 2 buy only makes put about 400 million dollars in sales. Losing 7% of all sales over night would destroy all of ARM profit. That is what would happen if intel walked away from ARM. 107 millon in profit. ARM needs intel. Sorry just the way the world worksl.

Intel also licenses all of the x86 patients to arm. If Intel wanted arm not to get into x86, why license the patents allowing them to make the chips?


Does not make sense. Intel does not fear ARM, they think them as just a cute side show. They barely have 32 bit processing on it main line products. They still have not figure out how to run dual core processing yet.

Not defending Intel, but to claim that Intel fears arm is just silly. Intel makes ARM possible. If it was not for intel, ARM could not turn profit.
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The Lava Xolo X900 was the first Intel smartphone to market in April. It basically uses the reference design. wink.gif
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5770/lava-xolo-x900-review-the-first-intel-medfield-phone
The next Atom for smartphones isn't due until the end of 2013..... they will be competing against mature quad Cortex A-15 at 1.5GHz by then.

Yea the Orange San Dieago is a x900 with an Orange badge on it thumb.gif
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But as I said before, nvidia provides drivers that mostly useless. Android runs perfectly find on intel chips. Just ask anyone that bought a medfield phone. It has great performance, ok battery life for battery size.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5770/lava-xolo-x900-review-the-first-intel-medfield-phone
As for the rest, I have one question. If intel was trying to keep arm out of x86 computing, why are they arm's number one buyer? They bought over 600 million dollars in chips in 2010, about 4 times larger then apple. Samsung, which is the number 2 buy only makes put about 400 million dollars in sales. Losing 7% of all sales over night would destroy all of ARM profit. That is what would happen if intel walked away from ARM. 107 millon in profit. ARM needs intel. Sorry just the way the world worksl.
Intel also licenses all of the x86 patients to arm. If Intel wanted arm not to get into x86, why license the patents allowing them to make the chips?
Does not make sense. Intel does not fear ARM, they think them as just a cute side show. They barely have 32 bit processing on it main line products. They still have not figure out how to run dual core processing yet.
Not defending Intel, but to claim that Intel fears arm is just silly. Intel makes ARM possible. If it was not for intel, ARM could not turn profit.

I know... I posted the same link above. wink.gif Intel is fighting ARM. MS is fighting Android and iOS.

ARM is Intel's current #1 enemy. It is common knowledge that Intel shift their focus away from AMD to NVIDIA a few years ago... but then realized ARM was their biggest competitor. Intel has cross-licensing with ARMs (and many other companies). This is the norm and is nothing unusual. Companies buy from each other all the time (AMD is shipping Opteron servers with SeaMicro. However, this does not make you friends or partners.

Intel has locked up the desktop space and server space. However, the fastest growing markets are mobile, tablet, and laptops. ARM already own mobile and tablet spaces..... and will become powerful enough for ultrabooks with 2-3 years. Intel CPUs have been "good enough" in performance for the majority of users since Core 2. What happens if Apple decides to switch ISA for their computers again and move to ARM? This is not unheard of since they did it with POWER to x86. Apple has reduced their focus on servers and workstations. Intel invented and is investing in Ultrabooks because of their fear that the Mac Book Air may move to ARM.

Dual-core processing is a function of the OS and software...

Look in the news... Intel talks more about ARM than NVIDIA or AMD today.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20110113235612_Intel_We_Will_Conquer_ARM_with_Advanced_Process_Technology_Lower_Costs.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-26/hewlett-packard-said-to-plan-arm-based-servers-in-challenge-to-intel-tech.html
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/Intel-Chips-to-Challenge-AMD-ARM-in-Microservers-148790/
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/04/27/is-this-intel-win-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-arm/
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What happens if Apple decides to switch ISA for their computers again and move to ARM? This is not unheard of since they did it with POWER to x86.

Let them. Arm is so limited in personal computers that Intel will mop the floor with them.

But as for the OT

http://www.zdnet.com/intels-new-clover-trail-chip-will-support-android-and-linux-7000004451/

Intel is adding linux support to clover trail in a different sku. It has to be a different sku because of carrier restrictions.
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I think the writer of the story is confusing "not supporting" and "not working" with something. Intel just isn't officially supporting Linux given that no current version of Linux properly supports Clover Trail's new low power states. I don't see why an update or a new version of Linux couldn't be made to have this support. Current Linux distros should still be able to run on it given it's an X86 chip, but if it's a tablet this is assuming the device manufacturer allows such modifications to the OS (since tablets often have fewer ports and are more closed down than laptops and desktops). At least that's my understanding of the information that was presented in the article. Also here are a few sources that clarify a few things and say Linux will indeed work with Clover Trail but Intel is initially focusing on Windows 8:

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Intel-Clover-Trail-Atom-Chips-to-Support-Android-Linux-169411/
http://www.informationweek.com/development/mobility/intel-clover-trail-will-support-linux-af/240007523
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This seems pretty stupid on its face. With Atom Intel wants to eat up the mobile sector as thoroughly as they have eaten up the desktop market. Microsoft has something like a sub 5% market share, which may or may not grow once Windows 8 is released, but I am thinking they will make only minimal gains against established power houses of Apple and Google. So no matter how good Intel's low-power mobile chips are they will be relegated to a relatively small piece of the market while ARM continues to dominate.

I know they must think it works out in their favor and they have assuredly done a lot more number crunching than I have but it seems a little strange to me.
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