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i do not see how HSA would be preffered in comparison to usual cpus/gpus in server/hpc sorry; you can try to explain

regarding gpu coding: i tried it and the benefits to me would not outweight the time i spent developing such code
however if i just throw out knights corner from intel, that promises basically unchanged cpu code to be accelerated with "knights corner" using intel compilers, then intel still has an advantage over amd

dont get me wrong, apus have huge potential, however so far in my opinion amd has not shown anything impressive (amd apu vs intel cpu + nvidia gpu ... we all know who wins)
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i do not see how HSA would be preffered in comparison to usual cpus/gpus in server/hpc sorry; you can try to explain
regarding gpu coding: i tried it and the benefits to me would not outweight the time i spent developing such code
however if i just throw out knights corner from intel, that promises basically unchanged cpu code to be accelerated with "knights corner" using intel compilers, then intel still has an advantage over amd
dont get me wrong, apus have huge potential, however so far in my opinion amd has not shown anything impressive (amd apu vs intel cpu + nvidia gpu ... we all know who wins)

with the half of the price yeah
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i do not see how HSA would be preffered in comparison to usual cpus/gpus in server/hpc sorry; you can try to explain
regarding gpu coding: i tried it and the benefits to me would not outweight the time i spent developing such code
however if i just throw out knights corner from intel, that promises basically unchanged cpu code to be accelerated with "knights corner" using intel compilers, then intel still has an advantage over amd
dont get me wrong, apus have huge potential, however so far in my opinion amd has not shown anything impressive (amd apu vs intel cpu + nvidia gpu ... we all know who wins)

The point of HSA is to make the lines between CPU and GPU blur. It is to help make development easier.

Xeon Phi still requires re-compiling and optimization. While it is more like x86 development, it isn't x86 development.
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/7/13/xeon-phi-lacks-binary-compatibility2c-breaks-amd64-conventions.aspx
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im sorry, i still dont think this is as great of an idea as amd wants us to think it, however only time will tell

thanks for trying to convince me though wink.gif
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Mark Papermaster, the company's chief technology officer, sketched the vision at a recent conference when he talked about the coming era of "Surround Computing," where many people will be constantly interacting with many different kinds of computers using voice commands, facial expressions and gestures rather than the traditional keyboard and mouse.

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Excuse my ignorance but the way i see things is that AMD cant match the performance of Intel CPU's for the same price.
Graphics yes they are better but computing performance, Intel out performs.
Most of the customers i come across are general consumers and they who care more about the performance of the PC than graphics. The consumers who want a PC for gaming normally buy Intel with a discreet GPU but most don't require it,
This is what i have seen with general consumers mostly buying mobile PCs and care mostly about how fast their PC runs, how long the battery life is, how thin it is, how light it is. This all is a priority over the Graphics performance.

Plus among them, AMD do have a negative brand image. As in if you are buying a AMD machine you are buying a budget PC, you are sacrificing performance to save money.

Currently you can buy a second gen i3 for the same price as a e2-300m or e2-450m. And thats the biggest battle. Anything above that range its all Intel i5's.

CPU and GPU combined is the way forward for general consumers too but CPU performance is still a priority.
I have seen people play mainstream games on Intel HD Graphics just fine, I have also seen external GPU on youtube connected using Thunderbolt (lucid) for people who want to play high end games.

For me the way forward is Ultrabooks with discreet or in the future external graphics if needed.
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Excuse my ignorance but the way i see things is that AMD cant match the performance of Intel CPU's for the same price.
Graphics yes they are better but computing performance, Intel out performs.
Most of the customers i come across are general consumers and they who care more about the performance of the PC than graphics. The consumers who want a PC for gaming normally buy Intel with a discreet GPU but most don't require it,
This is what i have seen with general consumers mostly buying mobile PCs and care mostly about how fast their PC runs, how long the battery life is, how thin it is, how light it is. This all is a priority over the Graphics performance.
Plus among them, AMD do have a negative brand image. As in if you are buying a AMD machine you are buying a budget PC, you are sacrificing performance to save money.
Currently you can buy a second gen i3 for the same price as a e2-300m or e2-450m. And thats the biggest battle. Anything above that range its all Intel i5's.
CPU and GPU combined is the way forward for general consumers too but CPU performance is still a priority.
I have seen people play mainstream games on Intel HD Graphics just fine, I have also seen external GPU on youtube connected using Thunderbolt (lucid) for people who want to play high end games.
For me the way forward is Ultrabooks with discreet or in the future external graphics if needed.

Too bad more and more applications are utilizing gpu acceleration, For now it's really just the brower and MS office for nomal users. Win7 does it a little bit. And Win8 will utilize it more. raw cpu performance is a much lower consideration now a days.
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Excuse my ignorance but the way i see things is that AMD cant match the performance of Intel CPU's for the same price.
Graphics yes they are better but computing performance, Intel out performs.
Most of the customers i come across are general consumers and they who care more about the performance of the PC than graphics. The consumers who want a PC for gaming normally buy Intel with a discreet GPU but most don't require it,
This is what i have seen with general consumers mostly buying mobile PCs and care mostly about how fast their PC runs, how long the battery life is, how thin it is, how light it is. This all is a priority over the Graphics performance.
Plus among them, AMD do have a negative brand image. As in if you are buying a AMD machine you are buying a budget PC, you are sacrificing performance to save money.
Currently you can buy a second gen i3 for the same price as a e2-300m or e2-450m. And thats the biggest battle. Anything above that range its all Intel i5's.
CPU and GPU combined is the way forward for general consumers too but CPU performance is still a priority.
I have seen people play mainstream games on Intel HD Graphics just fine, I have also seen external GPU on youtube connected using Thunderbolt (lucid) for people who want to play high end games.
For me the way forward is Ultrabooks with discreet or in the future external graphics if needed.

The premise that the CPU is the Be All End All (tm) of computer performance is vastly exaggerated by Intel's marketing juggernaut. Plug a solid state drive into either an AMD or Intel setup at the same price point, and any difference in mainstream (office productivity, internet browsing) applications vary between nonexistent and almost negligible. Intel will pull ahead in SLI/Crossfire setups (which isn't the focus of the mobile sector), video encoding thanks to Quick Sync, and benchmarking applications, AMD will pull ahead in casual gaming and Photoshop. Remove the branding labels, however, and John Q. Public isn't going to notice a substantial difference in 90% of what he does.
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I think that everyone needs to read this, now. And everyone needs to realize that if Intel is not able to come up with some sort of coding architecture that can rival HSA, AMD is going to dominate in every market and in every task so long as software companies keep jumping on board. All those new hardware innovations... the 14nm, the 2x graphics performance, the 22nm Atom, none of them are going to amount to anything anymore. It's sad, but I think the future where I see AMD dominating without having to make huge investments in moving hardware forward at all anymore is a future that is better for everybody.

Keep in mind: AMD already has ahold of supplying chips for at least one and possibly two next-generation gaming consoles, and new releases like the FirePro APU are helping them achieve strong ties with software companies/coders. HSA could and will bring AMD so far up top that there will be no competition to worry about. It seems crazy, and I love just that.

Keeping jumping on board? AMD's problem is that they can get barely any OEMs to buy their hardware and barely any software developers to support it. As long as Intel maintains that stranglehold on 'partners' nothing is changing. As it is right now it looks like AMD's one advantage in graphics is likely going to be wiped out by Intel within the year.
    
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