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Larrabee was a complete failure and was cancelled. Don't see anything about it coming with Skylake, though I doubt it considering that R&D ended 2 years ago.

Not true. The original launch was delayed, but R&D never stopped.

In fact, its currently shipping. (now in its 3rd generation)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6265/intels-xeon-phi-in-10-petaflops-supercomputer

Sandy Bridge was supposed to have Larrabee as its GPU but due to the delay Intel stuck with its older GenX GPU. Skylake was always planned to fully integrate the gpu and cpu, allow for memory sharing, etc. But now its also the first chip that will feature larrabee.
Edited by erunion - 9/14/12 at 7:05pm
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Not true. The original launch was delayed, but R&D never stopped.
In fact, its currently shipping.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6265/intels-xeon-phi-in-10-petaflops-supercomputer
Sandy Bridge was supposed to have Larrabee as its GPU but due to the delay Intel stuck with its older GenX GPU. Skylake was always planned to fully integrate the gpu and cpu, allow for memory sharing, etc. But now its also the first chip that will feature larrabee.

That's beneficial to average consumers how??
post #33 of 75
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Larrabee was a complete failure and was cancelled. Don't see anything about it coming with Skylake, though I doubt it considering that R&D ended 2 years ago.

Not true. The original launch was delayed, but R&D never stopped.

In fact, its currently shipping. (now in its 3rd generation)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6265/intels-xeon-phi-in-10-petaflops-supercomputer

Sandy Bridge was supposed to have Larrabee as its GPU but due to the delay Intel stuck with its older GenX GPU. Skylake was always planned to fully integrate the gpu and cpu, allow for memory sharing, etc. But now its also the first chip that will feature larrabee.

Xeon Phi != Larrabee, though it does take many elements from it

source on your claims regarding skylake
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That's beneficial to average consumers how??

Because its going to be in skylake in 2015, following right behind HSA in 2014.
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Xeon Phi != Larrabee, though it does take many elements from it
source on your claims regarding skylake

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/06/12/what-comes-after-knights-landing/

Edit: I should add that Intel has been talking about heterogenous compute since Larrabee was announced. (I was wrong earlier, it wasn't 2009 it was 2008) Larrabee was created for future heterogenous cpus, just because it hasn't existed (yet) as a discrete gpu doesn't mean Intel scrapped their entire roadmap.

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/2580/14
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I think that everyone needs to read this, now. And everyone needs to realize that if Intel is not able to come up with some sort of coding architecture that can rival HSA, AMD is going to dominate in every market and in every task so long as software companies keep jumping on board. All those new hardware innovations... the 14nm, the 2x graphics performance, the 22nm Atom, none of them are going to amount to anything anymore. It's sad, but I think the future where I see AMD dominating without having to make huge investments in moving hardware forward at all anymore is a future that is better for everybody.

With a huge amount of developer-based support, HSA could and will bring AMD so far up top that there will be no competition to worry about. It seems crazy, and I love just that. I think I'm willing to be that confident.
HSA may eventually take off, but a future dominated by AMD? lachen.gif That's just too funny! TI and Samsung are involved in HSA and you think AMD will be running things? tongue.gif

Nothing stopping intel from doing HSA as well you know.
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HSA isn't about money, it's about politics. Proprietary vs. open standards. The consumer benefits more from the latter, assuming it has sufficient backing.
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HSA may eventually take off, but a future dominated by AMD? lachen.gif That's just too funny! TI and Samsung are involved in HSA and you think AMD will be running things? tongue.gif
Nothing stopping intel from doing HSA as well you know.

Well that's a gamble for intel. If HSA is the future it becomes a race that amd might be further ahead than we know and could beat out intel. Or maybe HSA is garbage and now intel invested a ton of money for nothing. So intel probably will just be keeping a watchful eye for a while.
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Well that's a gamble for intel. If HSA is the future it becomes a race that amd might be further ahead than we know and could beat out intel. Or maybe HSA is garbage and now intel invested a ton of money for nothing. So intel probably will just be keeping a watchful eye for a while.

Not really.
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To me, it almost sounds (or does sound) as if this were some form of trying to aim at software developers and let them know that there is another way to program for CPU's. In short what I'm saying is, this is kind of dumbed down from what I'm used to from "developers." This instance is kind of lacking in structure as far as an information standpoint. Not only does this lead to more questions, but also leads to more issues as far as what is expected. The main issue here is that programmers do not want to learn or even HEAR about another language, only a form of programming language that makes their job easier, and this by far is not easier.

I'm weary of AMD trying to weave their way into the CPU market not, instead of "earn" their way in. I believe they WERE on the right track many years ago, but that is not today. I fear more than am happy of the views of today. More and more want to try to compete, instead of actually compete. In another view, more players wish to sit on the bench, rather than play the real game because it is less work and more money. In my eyes, AMD is going backwards and not forwards as a company. It's like feigning laziness for success. One can only believe for so long that they are the best but in actuality, are only riding off anothers success.

To me, the real pain here lies in the fact that AMD SHOULD have been a leader in the industry, but today STILL fall short of Intel's dealings. I, for one, wish that AMD would instead of publishing articles, show that they are a true leading amongst the industry. I have been a long time follower of AMD, but tell me why it is that I cannot aim to purchase AMD architecture when I really want to? Intel has always had the "best" processors in the industry and I feel that if AMD does not do BETTER (in terms of their strategy,) then they are doomed to fail as all that came before them. Regardless, if AMD does not take into account what is happening/what is in their best interests, then they are certainly doomed to fail.
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