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This is why AMD needs to keep relevant and afloat - if they can get this working then this will be a massive break-through.
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On topic: So if this is a success, would it mean we can get similar performance to what consoles are getting out of the hardware? If so, it would just be awesome!

Technologically it's different but the effect will be somewhat similar afaik.
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I don't believe Xeon Phi is shipping yet.... my Intel server sales rep said prices will be available this month sometime. Being the case, they are not shipping yet. The units used in that supercomputer are pre-final models.

Good call. So it is.
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/9/13/first-xeon-phi-supercomputer-to-launch-on-january-7th2c-20132c-tesla-k20-inside-too.aspx
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To me, it almost sounds (or does sound) as if this were some form of trying to aim at software developers and let them know that there is another way to program for CPU's. In short what I'm saying is, this is kind of dumbed down from what I'm used to from "developers." This instance is kind of lacking in structure as far as an information standpoint. Not only does this lead to more questions, but also leads to more issues as far as what is expected. The main issue here is that programmers do not want to learn or even HEAR about another language, only a form of programming language that makes their job easier, and this by far is not easier.

I'm weary of AMD trying to weave their way into the CPU market not, instead of "earn" their way in. I believe they WERE on the right track many years ago, but that is not today. I fear more than am happy of the views of today. More and more want to try to compete, instead of actually compete. In another view, more players wish to sit on the bench, rather than play the real game because it is less work and more money. In my eyes, AMD is going backwards and not forwards as a company. It's like feigning laziness for success. One can only believe for so long that they are the best but in actuality, are only riding off anothers success.

To me, the real pain here lies in the fact that AMD SHOULD have been a leader in the industry, but today STILL fall short of Intel's dealings. I, for one, wish that AMD would instead of publishing articles, show that they are a true leading amongst the industry. I have been a long time follower of AMD, but tell me why it is that I cannot aim to purchase AMD architecture when I really want to? Intel has always had the "best" processors in the industry and I feel that if AMD does not do BETTER (in terms of their strategy,) then they are doomed to fail as all that came before them. Regardless, if AMD does not take into account what is happening/what is in their best interests, then they are certainly doomed to fail.

I'm sorry but that does not make any sense. At all.
AMD is actually pushing the boundaries of current CPU design here and might well be gambling for their company's future.
    
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This news should be taken less seriously. It's a marketing person talking big words about a product that will save AMD.

What really happened:
- AMD is looking for investors because they are an easy target for takeovers atm.
- There are products planned but when they finally give a release data, add 2years to know the real date.
- AMD is tired of losing the fight with Intel. They'll go more in the market of graphics and SoCs.

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On topic: So if this is a success, would it mean we can get similar performance to what consoles are getting out of the hardware? If so, it would just be awesome!

Hardware side: A console can run lesser hardware because it's dedicated to one job. Your OS is stripped down to running one cpu, gpu, mem, nic, usb and bt all of which are known devices. A pc runs a multitude of processes and services all at once so that you can connect thousands of hardware devices and run millions of programs.
Software side: Software for pc and console are theoretically about the same but the api's used on pc are a lot bigger and heavier because they need to run on all kinds of hardware and you try to optimise them for all kinds of hardware. Console api's are small and more time can be spend on optimising for that one combination of hardware on the level of driver+OS+software.
There is also the perception side. For instance consoles render 720p and then they upscale it because you know that the maximum tv is 1080p. On a computer this would be pretty bad to do because pc users are close to their screen and would see bigger pixels. Someone playing in 1024x768 wouldn't see it, but 3240x1920 users would see big pixels everywhere.

HSA will not change this. Even when we get real HSA architecture in our home pc's, it still wouldn't match a console because the HSA would have been build to work thousands of tasks and not just gaming.
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I'm sorry but that does not make any sense. At all.
AMD is actually pushing the boundaries of current CPU design here and might well be gambling for their company's future.

Word. It's an exciting, thrilling, and scary time for AMD.
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Not really... since HSA is required to be ISA/architecture agnostic. It's like OpenCL..... NVIDIA has CUDA but supports the open standard OpenCL. There is no reason why NVIDIA or any other company not to support OpenCL if they wanted to. HSA is the same.

They would support it. But it wouldn't perform as good as it would on an AMD system, since they are the main investors and the main supporters of the project.

nVIDIA keeps pushing for CUDA because they invested on it, and mainly because they know AMD cannot run it, and their probably only weapon against them in the graphics market.

OpenCL is getting more and more adopted, and it's going only to rise from where it is now. And the day that it starts to touch Cuda's marketshare, AMD will kick nVIDIA's nuts, as OpenCL is brutally powerful on AMD cards due to their massive computing power.

It will happen. Sooner or later, depends on how hard AMD invests on both HSA and OpenCL, because they are the main supporter of the projects.
   
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i would love for AMD to compete with the CUDA. would love to be able to use my HD7770 with the mercury engine in Adobe CS6, they only support a few nvidia cards right now that are all way more than i want to spend.
    
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They would support it. But it wouldn't perform as good as it would on an AMD system, since they are the main investors and the main supporters of the project.
nVIDIA keeps pushing for CUDA because they invested on it, and mainly because they know AMD cannot run it, and their probably only weapon against them in the graphics market.
OpenCL is getting more and more adopted, and it's going only to rise from where it is now. And the day that it starts to touch Cuda's marketshare, AMD will kick nVIDIA's nuts, as OpenCL is brutally powerful on AMD cards due to their massive computing power.
It will happen. Sooner or later, depends on how hard AMD invests on both HSA and OpenCL, because they are the main supporter of the projects.

OpenCL is only now beginning to win adoption but it will be a few years before parity. NVIDIA keeps pushing CUDA because most people/companies already use it for GPGPU.

AMD will not kick NVIDIA in OpenCL. AMD cards are better at certain compute workloads than other. Furthermore, NVIDIA has not released a compute-focused card in almost a year. The GK110 will be a monster when it comes out.

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i would love for AMD to compete with the CUDA. would love to be able to use my HD7770 with the mercury engine in Adobe CS6, they only support a few nvidia cards right now that are all way more than i want to spend.
The issue is that ATI/AMD historically have sucked with developer support compared with NVIDIA.
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