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@BeerPowered
I don't think that I will ever upgrade to 5.1/7.1.Maybe I will add a SUB in the future.
As for the small sized 2.0 channel receivers,I couldn't find one.The only ones I could find have analog audio inputs such as RCA White/Red cables.Maybe you can help me with some links.smile.gif

Here is an example of one. Try searching micro component/stereo receiver. If you have no plans for 5.1 then look into those.


Although I haven't done much research on micro receivers these two caught my eye from a quick search. Make sure you research well enough. I don't exactly know what features want/prefer besides a 2.1.

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_033RCDN7/Denon-RCD-N7-White.html?tp=47041

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/hifi-systems/drx-730_black/?mode=model
Edited by BeerPowered - 9/15/12 at 12:53pm
post #12 of 25
if I were you on your budget I would go for something like this used, http://www.ebay.com/itm/B-W-DM602-S2-Main-Stereo-Speakers-No-Reserve-/110950841664?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item19d52f7d40

they will sound awesome then it's up to you on amp, stereo is always going to sound more natural and you won't need a sub with those speakers trust me. I would guess a nice stereo amp between 80 and 100 watts rms will sound great. even something like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAD-314-Integrated-Amplifier-EXCELLENT-/330793212745?pt=US_Home_Audio_Amplifiers_Preamps&hash=item4d04cfdb49
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post #13 of 25
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@Face76
I don't mind about cables hanging out tongue.gif.I will find a way to mask them.If not,it's not such a big deal to me anyway.
In that case, don't even consider a sound bar. thumb.gif
post #14 of 25
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@Electrocutor

Your post really cleared things up for me.Thank you!thumb.gif
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make sure you get a receiver or networking device that has some processing for restoring the sound

By that do you mean Audio Return Channel function?

I can't really decide right now either I want a 2.0 or 5.1 setup.I need to think about that and evaluate the new options.

Anyhow,I would appreciate if you will post some links with some 2.0 or 5.0\5.1 gear in the 700$-800$ price range.smile.gif

Right now I am looking at the Pioneer VSX-527-K and Yamaha rx-V473 for the 5.1 AV receiver.

For the 2.0 AMP I was considering Yamaha A-S500.The only downside to this one is that it is not compatible with the Ipad.

One more thing,is it possible to use 4 identical bookshelf speakers and 1 center speaker from the same family to obtain surround sound?


Like this but with a center speaker instead.




@Stoffie

That sounds good.I am considering an AMP with 2.0 setup.

@BeerPowered

Thank you for the links.

@Face76

Yea,the soundbar is out of the question for me.smile.gif
post #15 of 25
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@Electrocutor
By that do you mean Audio Return Channel function?
No, I mean that MP3's are usually encoded at 128 to 160 kbps, which is pretty horrible to listen to if you have good speakers. Basically, good speakers are honest, so all of the audio quality that was removed from the music is clearly heard: it usually presents itself as warbling or mushing of sounds that should otherwise be clearly detailed and of good tone. It sometimes can even get a 'from a tin can' sound to it.

A lot of modern receivers and network players have features in them to attempt to restore the songs or at least make them sound better (they all make up their own names for this). It's kind of like up-converting a 480p DVD to HD 1080p, it doesn't actually give you 1080p quality, but it's a lot better than just using a linear scale. The best option is to have your music encoded at a 256kbps bitrate MP3, in FLAC, or in some other lossless format: this is not an option for much of the digital download and streaming content though.

You can think of it this way, a music CD can hold about 700MB worth of music which is 80 minutes long. That same CD encoded into 128kbps MP3s takes up a little over 75MB; that means you have about 625MB or 89% less data. Granted that the raw uncompressed audio on the CD does waste space, you'd still be look at somewhere around 60%-70% degredation from the original quality of the CD. My rule of thumb is that if you have a budget system, 192kbps is the minimum for having it sound almost as good as the CD; 256kbps for entry level hi-fi (I'm talking real hi-fi speakers at $800+/pair); and anything above entry-level (generally 2-3k+/pair) you should keep it lossless (likely FLAC).
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I can't really decide right now either I want a 2.0 or 5.1 setup.I need to think about that and evaluate the new options.
It sounds like you ought to get the electronics for a 5.1ch+ system, but only run it in stereo for now. You can always decide to fill out your surround sound speakers later, but this way you will not have wasted money.
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Anyhow,I would appreciate if you will post some links with some 2.0 or 5.0\5.1 gear in the 700$-800$ price range.
#1 You absolutely, positively, under every circumstance cannot take someone else's word on sound quality of speakers, pre-amps/processors, and amps. You can listen to their advice and take their opinion into consideration, but you have to go to a local store with a properly set-up listening room and evaluate what kind of sound you like best. Probably one of the biggest examples of this is Bose: Bose purposely distorts the sound reproduction to give it their own "signature". Some people really like it, others (myself included) would prefer to reproduce the sound as precisely as possible to the recording.

#2 If you want to focus on the best quality sound you can get right now and can stretch your budget a bit for the electronics, my best recommendation would be to buy a pair of Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1's. They offer a 30-day money-back audition period. I have yet to hear a better pair of bookshelf speakers than them under $4,000/pair.

#3 Separates are better for processor/amp, but also more costly. If you're looking for the long term, make sure that the amp is rated for 4 ohm as well as you never know what speakers you may choose in the future. To throw around some names: Emotiva, Outlaw Audio, NAD; these will focus on audio quality instead of networking features though.

#4 Is the $800 budget just for receiver/amp? If so, you'll need to go for a receiver with built-in amp unless you already have a pre-amp/processor.
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Right now I am looking at the Pioneer VSX-527-K and Yamaha rx-V473 for the 5.1 AV receiver.
As I mentioned before: you really need to listen the speakers you will have hooked up to the receiver you want before making a decision. Some combinations of brands between electronics and speakers just don't get along well and almost all of them will change how it sounds somehow: your ears know best. As a side note, be sure to google whatever models you are thinking about and 'issue' or 'problems' and see what people have run into: there are some issues that make certain electronics very annoying or a pain to work with.
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For the 2.0 AMP I was considering Yamaha A-S500.The only downside to this one is that it is not compatible with the Ipad.
The main issue I see here is that you have "treble" and "bass", but no actual equalizer so you won't be able to compensate for room dynamics. The second issue is that you'll need source devices since it's not a receiver/processor with network, internet, or other resources.

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One more thing,is it possible to use 4 identical bookshelf speakers and 1 center speaker from the same family to obtain surround sound?
Audiophile surround sound (such as 5.1ch orchestra music, etc) is exactly that: 5 identical speakers plus a subwoofer of the same family. The reason that home theater surround systems tend to have small rear speakers and a long flat center speaker is aesthetics. The one exception is when people use dipole speakers for the rear surround for the affect, which I don't care for. Let's say you bought a pair of Sierra-1s today, then you could add another pair, center, and subwoofer a few years down the road and they will all be in sonic unison (mixing speaker brands and series' tends really muck up the sound).

In fact, Ascend decided to cater to the aesthetics for just that reason (http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/SRM1C/srm1c.html). It's the same speaker, just on its side. Personally, I would only use that if I bought two of them so i could keep the left and right sides balanced.

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The moral of the story is that you need to spend some time at the local audio shop's listening rooms before you make a decision. Usually, the people that run such places are flexible and would allow you to bring your own mains to test against some receivers/amps too so long as they're the one handling the display gear.
Edited by Electrocutor - 9/15/12 at 6:44pm
post #16 of 25
As an example this is my setup
http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx/rx-v765_black__u/?mode=model
http://www.polkaudio.com/products/rm95
http://www.polkaudio.com/products/psw111

As far as Speaker brand I recommend heading out to some stores and listening to them. I personally prefer Polk, Boston Acoustics, or Infinity. I would also think about Floorstanding Speakers if you own a home and are using this for your living room.
post #17 of 25
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@Electrocutor

I think the best solution for me right now is to do as you said earlier.Buy an A V receiver,2 bookshelf speakers and play it stereo for now.And in the future I will add more identical speakers and a SUB.

Those Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1's look nice!I wish that I could hear\test them sometime but I'm from EU so I don't think that would be possible.The 7 years warranty looks appealing biggrin.gif.And they are way over my budget.I have to buy the HDTV also tongue.gif.Therefore,my budget is 300-350$ for the A V receiver and 400-450$ for the speakers.

The next step will be to go to the AVstore and listen to some audio equipment and then decide which one will suit my needs.smile.gif

I want to thank you for all the infos that you provided.These helped me alot!Thanks!thumb.gif

@BeerPowered

That is a very nice setup!smile.gif

Did you used the YPAO Automatic System Calibration?Does it work?Do you think it helped the sound condition or is just a gimmick?
post #18 of 25
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I'm from EU
Check out Jamo. They tend to be hit or miss by model, but worth looking into. They used to be top-notch, but not sure how they have faired with Klipsch in ownership.
post #19 of 25
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@BeerPowered
That is a very nice setup!smile.gif
Did you used the YPAO Automatic System Calibration?Does it work?Do you think it helped the sound condition or is just a gimmick?

It certainly does change the sound. It made my speakers quieter, which works for my Apartment, but at Default they were super loud like theater style. Ran comparison tests with a couple IMAX trailers I have on Blu-ray. My neighbors never complain.
Edited by BeerPowered - 9/15/12 at 11:21pm
post #20 of 25
How much would it cost for you to jump up to the vsx827 or even the vsx 2022? They generally have the option for you to run 4 channel from the amp to the 2 speakers hence more power (bridging I think sorry I have 2 young kids and been out this game a while) I currently have a vsx2020 with 2 b&w dm602's running in that configuration and it sounds great. Considering I got the speakers off eBay UK for £80. Not that I get to use it anymore.

I agree with what everyone is saying though, go have a listen, my ears are tuned to Bowers and Wilkins speakers generally (one day I will get some 800 diamonds)biggrin.gif Bose on the other hand makes my ears hurt, it's all about what your ears like.
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