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I've been in the same situation. I got the upgrade itch, but there isn't anything out there worth the money over my 930. I have it running 4.0ghz, and it tears through everything I need it for. It pushes my 670 wonderfully.
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A super high end cooler isn't necessary. Something like a hyper 212+ would suffice. On my old 930 with a 212+ I hit 3.8ghz at 1.15v and temps only hit around 60c load in Linx (hotter then prime95). With gaming temps in the upper 40s to low 50s.

Well every chip is different if you have a golden chip then you can get pretty far on a hyper +212. Even so I'm kinda skeptical that you can get that good results. Hitting 3.8 Ghz with an undervolted 930 is kinda out there. What where your ambient temps and did you have HT enabled?.
    
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Well every chip is different if you have a golden chip then you can get pretty far on a hyper +212. Even so I'm kinda skeptical that you can get that good results. Hitting 3.8 Ghz with an undervolted 930 is kinda out there. What where your ambient temps and did you have HT enabled?.

Guess if I had that good a chip I should have sold it for more then $150 eh? smile.gif No I don't think I had HT enabled at the time but I did at one point and don't remember it making any appreciable difference on temps. Ambient around 70F. Hope I can get close to as good results on my 3570K I'll be receiving in the mail in a few hours biggrin.gif

PS: And I feel this is partially relelvant here, though not completely as the OPs GPU isn't nearly as powerful. Anyway the reason I upgraded in the first place is that after I upgraded from SLI 470s to crossfire 7970s. My 930@3.8ghz could only manage 50-55% usage on each gpu in metro 2033 (and as a test to see if the cpu was the bottleneck.....2.7ghz got me 30-35% usage on each gpu) and 60-70% in BF3 at 3.8.
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Hi guys,

Firstly, thank you to you all for your replies - I really appreciate it!
Clearly, it seems that the best option is to stick with my i7-930 which is what I will do smile.gif

Bearing in mind I am a bit of a novice at this, the first problem I can see is to do with the cooling. I have looked at the hyper 212+ and the H60, and it seems that these have to have a backplate fitted to the back of the motherboard in order for them to fit to the motherboard. I took the right hand side of the case off to see if I have access to the rear motherboard, but I dont, as there is a massive silver plate thing in the way.
So in order to fit one of the above mentioned coolers, I think I would have to disconnect everything from the motherboard, take the motherboard out, mount the plate, and then put everything back in, which I think is going to be a bit too much for me.

I have no idea, but are there any air coolers available that dont require a backplate to be fitted and just fit in the same Intel stock cooler holes, and are still good for mild overclocking?
If I was to go down the overclock route, I am not after anything big...something like 3.4-3.6Ghz would be fine.


Looking at the RAM, I can see that at the moment, I have four 2GB sticks, so I would upgrade the RAM to 12GB using three sticks. I think the RAM sticks I will have to go for is DDR3-1600.
Just out of interest, should I replace my current RAM to overlock my CPU to around 3.4-3.6GHz, or would it be OK to stick with what I currently have?

Mega thanks to everyone in advance!
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Despite the extra work I would very strongly recommend that you go the extra mile and use a back plated cooler as they offer not only better price performance but also over all better performance. Sure it might seam like a lot of work to remove the mother board install the bracket and put it back and to be fair it does take some time to do for a novice but its worth it.

If you are adamant about not using a back plated cooler then the Akasa AK-968 is the only one I can think of (though I'm sure there are others). It's not the best or the cheapest cooler around (at least not compared to the hyper 212) but its still a lot better then the next to useless intel stock cooler.

As for the ram you should not have any issues getting to 3.6 GHz even with generic ram and if you do I'm sure we here on OCn can help you find settings that will work (a drop down in memory ratio is probably all that would be needed if you do have issues).


Edit: Actually it would probably be a good idea for you to do some basic OC:ing before you go out and buy a new cooler just so we can figure out how much cooling your particular chip needs. If I where you I would download prime95 and HWmonitor and first do some stress tests with the stock setup to get a base line. Then you could proceed to OC your CPU and see how high you get before your CPU hits ~75°C under load. This would also give you a chance to get a basic feel for OC:ing.
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I just did a quick 5 min stress test with Prime95, (I'll try to run a longer test if required later).

Anyway, the max temps at 100% load were:

Core 0: 92c
Core 1: 96c
Core 2: 87c
Core 3: 96c

I think if I had left it any longer, the temps would have gone higher.
The stock Intel cooler is dust free, (as I only cleaned it the other day), with a small new blob of thermal paste applied at the same time.

At idle, with around 3-4% load, the temps are around 39-41c.

I hope that is of some use and look forward to hearing your input smile.gif
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That's quite hot for stock. Is your room very warm? Another possibility is that you have poor ventilation in your case. What ever the case with temps like that I would not waste money on a Akasa AK-968 as it seams you do need something wit more cooling capacity. Generally most people agree that you don't want to run an Intel CPU much hotter then 75-80°C even it you only hit thous temps when running prime95. IMO you really should be looking into a proper high-end cooler. My personal favorite is the Thermalright Silver Arrow but the Noctua NH-D14 is also really good. If thous seam to expensive then the Thermalright True Spirit 140 and the NZXT havik 140 are the next best thing.

I know you really don't feel like taking your system apart but think of it this way: if you had gotten a new CPU and mother board you would have had to do the same thing but now you are spending less money.
    
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post #18 of 34
Overclock that 930 and get the most out of it. I honestly wouldn't upgrade until Broadwell (After Haswell) as the i7-930 at stock is still a very capable chip; Overclocked it is more than sufficient
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No need to get a high-end cooler. Stick with either Cooler Master Hyper 212+ or Evo. I have my Xeon w3520 (i7 920) currently sitting at 3.9GHz 1.176v with CM Evo and the temps on the hottest cores stay below 75°C with prime95.

Also, go the extra mile and get the one with a backplate. It's well worth it.thumb.gif
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No need to get a high-end cooler. Stick with either Cooler Master Hyper 212+ or Evo. I have my Xeon w3520 (i7 920) currently sitting at 3.9GHz 1.176v with CM Evo and the temps on the hottest cores stay below 75°C with prime95.
Also, go the extra mile and get the one with a backplate. It's well worth it.thumb.gif

I don't know if Xenoses are binned the same as the 920 or not but what I do know is that 3.9GHz 1.176 or 4009MHz 1.192v would be freaking amazing for a 920. Most often you see people needing something in the 1.21 -1.30v to hit 4.0 GHz or if you have a chip form the worse end you might need 1,35V like me or even more (yes my 920 is a D0). The 930 is not much different form the 920 in terms of voltages although it probably is ever so slightly better on average.

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http://www.overclock.net/t/525748/4-ghz-overclock-club <--- check this thread if you want to see what people usually need for 4.0 GHz

Now I do know that BMWe60 is not looking to hit 4.0 but something more conservative but the fact remains that we don't know for sure how much voltage his CPU will need nor do we have a full understanding of his ambient temps and case ventilation. In short just because you don't need anything better than a Evo does not automatically mean he will be OK with one also. The fact that he hits 96c stock point to the direction that a slightly beefier cooler would be welcome.
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