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a heavily overclocked 570m has troubles with 1650x1024, so unless you either want a tiny screen (to maintain a sharp image) while having good performance, I don't think you should be complaining.  When you deal with such a high resolution, anyways, you end up getting similar realistate to lower resolutions anyways, just to make things visible.

I'm with mootsfox on this one. My 7-year-old Dell Inspiron had a 15.4" widescreen with a resolution of 1680x1050. The video card that was driving it was a quite pitiful Geforce FX 5200go with 64MB video memory. Back then, that resolution was pretty amazing, but even then, standard res was 1280x800 at that size of screen. When it's all said and done, we haven't made much progress on the screen resolution front. We've made a ton of progress on the CPU/GPU and integrated graphics front (the integrated graphics on my Trinity APU blitzes our 2-year-old laptop with a dedicated Radeon HD 4570m GPU), but most screens on laptops are quite pathetic. Apple has paved the way for the future with their retina-quality display on their new MBP.

Considering that many high-end phones now include 720P screens, it won't be long before display technology on laptops begins getting massive upgrades, even at stock.

 

Look at my sig.  Apple hasn't paved a way to the future.  There is a limit to how far you want to go until you lose quality with the adjustment in images to make them viewable to normal people.

 

1920x1080 on a 17inch is just too much.  1600x900, on the other hand, should be your limit.  You maintain 1:1 pixel mapping and ensure quality game performance out of the GPUs in laptops of this size while having relatively sharp text, better battery life, and more resources spend on making better quality panels.  Remember how they had to drop colour quality by nearly 30 % in order to develop the iPad3's display?

 

I'm not against more pixels, I'm against ones the go to the extreme and make it even worse.  You don't want to game on a stretch display, it is absolutely awful.

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You"re a newbie though. If you look at this from a budget gamer view you will understand. you can activate hp cool sense to max cooling, get a cooling pad, then overclock the GPU in msi after burner and have a solid gaming machine in medium details capped 30 fps on guildwars 2 ez
There's a few things you should know, first of all a budget gamer would aim for a budget laptop with better specs at a lower price due to the massive premium of an ultrabook computer. Second an Ultrabook, in particular a HP ultrabook doesn't cope as well with overclocking, that said, my overclocked 230M has no temperature differentiation due to the same voltages, on the DV8, but at the same time excess cooling allows this. Also the fact that Ultrabooks were never intended to game is still there, meaning that the 7670M has probably been crippled at stock so that temperatures are not an issue, given that even when it is crippled, it will perform much faster than the 4000HD graphics.

Example of price; Envy6 = $999 AUD (one described), VS Standard laptop 7670M + Better cooling due to sheer internal fan size with same specs $590.

similarly priced laptops with better peformance =
http://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers/acer/15-inch-notebook-sku-86093/
http://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers/hp/15-inch-notebook-sku-88718/
You can even get an Alienware one for the same price, and the 540M runs exceptionally well on games (Boarders owning Asus laptops with that GPU).
http://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers/alienware/m11x-11-inch-notebook-red-sku-85741/

And this is focusing on the single site, i guarantee there's cheaper.

Also HP have never been good with cooling, my neighbor has a DV6 which idles at 70, and gets to 90C browsing, it's probably speed-step being a tool but the same temperatures lie within all of the DV(x) series laptops, and G(x) laptops that i have seen.

Also me being new to the site doesn't make me any less experienced with laptops, let along the Ultrabooks and HP laptops i've been seeing too much of recently.

 

HP does make some solid performing laptops.  Maybe you should stop looking at their entry level junk.  My old probook would overclock quite well, maintaining temps under 80C.  I had to use custom AMD drivers at the time, but I was still able to push the laptop quite far.  

 

Second, stop assuming until you actually see the cooling design in the laptop.  You use these laptops for portable use.  IF you need to use it more as a workstation, you now have that option.  I'm not against any sort of extra options thrown into the mix.  If power becomes an issue, I just underclock the card and overclock and game at home while not at school.  Saves me the hassle of bringing two machines to university.  Based on the review, you can tell that the temps leave you a lot of room to overclock.


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Look at my sig.  Apple hasn't paved a way to the future.  There is a limit to how far you want to go until you lose quality with the adjustment in images to make them viewable to normal people.

1920x1080 on a 17inch is just too much.  1600x900, on the other hand, should be your limit.  You maintain 1:1 pixel mapping and ensure quality game performance out of the GPUs in laptops of this size while having relatively sharp text, better battery life, and more resources spend on making better quality panels.  Remember how they had to drop colour quality by nearly 30 % in order to develop the iPad3's display?

I'm not against more pixels, I'm against ones the go to the extreme and make it even worse.  You don't want to game on a stretch display, it is absolutely awful.

Where have you been getting your information? The iPad3 has the best gamut and color accuracy out of ALL the iOS and Android tablets ever put on the market (full sRGB and a delta-E of under 4 uncalibrated). Every single measurement you could possibly perform is better on the iPad3 than on the iPad2. And not only is it better, it is accurate enough for professional graphics work and even medical imaging.

And no, 1600x900 on a 17" is too low of a resolution for some people. Like me. I can use a retina MBP - 15" @ 2880x1800 - at native resolution, without scaling, and be perfectly comfortable. What your limit is and what everyone else's limits are are two completely different things.

Furthermore, in response to your sig, the "stretching" you speak of only applies when the display resolution is not a direct multiple of the image resolution. When you display a 1024x768 image on a 2048x1536 screen pixels are exactly quadrupled and it looks identical to having a 1024x768 screen to begin with. That is what Apple did with their retina displays - the resolution of the retina displays are exactly 4x (2x width and 2x height) of the non retina models, so that the ugly stretching doesn't occur and there is no added fill-in.

Plus, your arguments aren't consistent anyway. First you claim that you need always view media content at a native screen resolution to get the best quality, then you tell people that the best resolution is not 1080p? 1:1 pixel mapping of HD movies is at 1080p, and image reduction also calculates non-existent data, just like enlargement, reducing image quality.
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I really like the look of this, I have been looking for a good slim laptop with a gpu (mostly been looking at samsung series 5 and 7s), but I have two problems with this. One) I don't like how they won't let you make it all ssd, that would save power and make it faster. two) I have heard hp isn't so great right now, my brother has had two envys in the past 3 years, neither one worked very well and that made him switch to mac (sigh). If it is reliable then that would make this look a whole lot more attractive.
 
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HP does make some solid performing laptops.  Maybe you should stop looking at their entry level junk.  My old probook would overclock quite well, maintaining temps under 80C.  I had to use custom AMD drivers at the time, but I was still able to push the laptop quite far.  

Second, stop assuming until you actually see the cooling design in the laptop.  You use these laptops for portable use.  IF you need to use it more as a workstation, you now have that option.  I'm not against any sort of extra options thrown into the mix.  If power becomes an issue, I just underclock the card and overclock and game at home while not at school.  Saves me the hassle of bringing two machines to university.  Based on the review, you can tell that the temps leave you a lot of room to overclock.

Yes, the probooks are exceptional, just that as i work with student laptops, which are almost 99% entry level junk, the Elitebooks are also excellent in cooling etc, except the day i see a student walk in with a 3K laptop i'll eat my own face.

Also If you need to be using it as a workstation, then why wouldn't you have a workstation class laptop in the first place? And finally OCs' on most laptop cards do not overclock as well with the same results that we'd expect from desktop cards. a 150MHz overclock on a desktop GPU will see a much larger than one on a laptop.
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That's probably the worst thing to do, it's an Ultrabook, designed for portability, not performance.

This is OCN people here will even overclock a toaster if possible


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There's a few things you should know, first of all a budget gamer would aim for a budget laptop with better specs at a lower price due to the massive premium of an ultrabook computer. Second an Ultrabook, in particular a HP ultrabook doesn't cope as well with overclocking, that said, my overclocked 230M has no temperature differentiation due to the same voltages, on the DV8, but at the same time excess cooling allows this. Also the fact that Ultrabooks were never intended to game is still there, meaning that the 7670M has probably been crippled at stock so that temperatures are not an issue, given that even when it is crippled, it will perform much faster than the 4000HD graphics.
Example of price; Envy6 = $999 AUD (one described), VS Standard laptop 7670M + Better cooling due to sheer internal fan size with same specs $590.
similarly priced laptops with better peformance =
http://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers/acer/15-inch-notebook-sku-86093/
http://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers/hp/15-inch-notebook-sku-88718/
You can even get an Alienware one for the same price, and the 540M runs exceptionally well on games (Boarders owning Asus laptops with that GPU).
http://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers/alienware/m11x-11-inch-notebook-red-sku-85741/
And this is focusing on the single site, i guarantee there's cheaper.
Also HP have never been good with cooling, my neighbor has a DV6 which idles at 70, and gets to 90C browsing, it's probably speed-step being a tool but the same temperatures lie within all of the DV(x) series laptops, and G(x) laptops that i have seen.
Also me being new to the site doesn't make me any less experienced with laptops, let along the Ultrabooks and HP laptops i've been seeing too much of recently.

Scrap all those choices and go with a Clevo W110ER, it's basically a 11" version of that ASUS zenbook with a 650M
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This is OCN people here will even overclock a toaster if possible
Scrap all those choices and go with a Clevo W110ER, it's basically a 11" version of that ASUS zenbook with a 650M

They were single site, was slightly occupied and feel bad enough for distracting myself
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Isn't 50% a nice performance improvement?
+50% on terrible performance is still terrible, this thing barely pushes P1000 in 3DMark11.
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Anybody here forgot that it's impossible to overclock an Intel HD?
With the 7670M overclocked, it will push 10-15% more
Great, now I can have a hot, noisy laptop that still isn't good for gaming.

Really, my M14x with a GT 650M can barely run BF3, and a 650M is about 2.5x of the 7670M
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