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post #1 of 64
9/16/12 at 1:26pm
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So im setting up a rig to help my gaming. Im wanting to run skyrim on max settings with some graphics mods. If you could tell me what you think of this rig it would be extremely helpful.

AMD FX-8150

Galaxy Geforce GTX-670

Corsair Vengeance 16gb 2133mhz.

Asus M5A99X EVO AMD 990X AM3+ Motherboard

Lite-On IHAS124 Internal DVD Writer (Nothing big at all lol)

Windows 7 home premium

NZXT Phantom 410

Seagate Barracuda 2tb 7200rpm.

Cooler Master Silent Pro 1000watt Powersupply.

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Acer S231HL bid 23 inch Widescreen LED Monitor(Dual monitor)

Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Edition.

Microsoft Wireless Touch Mouse(Bluetrack technology)


So another question i have is, is it worth it to go liquid cooling route to be able to overclock to get very best performance out of my rig? All im wanting to do is play Skyrim and other games including Minecraft without any lag problems. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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post #2 of 64
9/16/12 at 1:39pm
The i5 2500k will perform better for around the same price in most gaming scenarios. So consider going that route instead.

This RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096
Will OC close if not to the speeds of the Corsair RAM you selected, and do it much cheaper. Also, for gaming, you probably don't need more than 8 GB

The 7950 will provide similar (sometimes better depending on OC) performance compared to a 670 for a lower price. Although, stock for stock, the 670 does win out, especially in Skyrim.

You don't need a 1000w power supply, even if you are planning an SLi/Crossfire setup. 850w would be PLENTY, and many would say 750w is overkill.

I've done liquid cooling. It's cool, it's fun, but the margins you gain in overclocking make it difficult to justify the price, so it's one of those things you do if price isn't an issue.
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9/16/12 at 1:40pm
You could save a little money and go with a smaller wattage PSU. 1000W is way more than you need. Not sure about that RAM. I know Corsair Vengence are decent but maybe check out this thread before you decide on which speed to get:
http://www.overclock.net/t/555061/guide-am3-cpus-which-ram-speed-is-faster-and-which-cpu-nb-clock-is-best/0_20
Other than that it looks pretty good. You should have no issues gaming on it.
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9/16/12 at 1:43pm
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Im leaning more towards the AMD type builds because of the cores and the speed of them. Im choosing the 1000 watts for the reason of future expanding onto the build. Ive read different reviews on the 7950 and have looked over it quite a bit, and they just don't seem to live up to what people say about them. The reviews on newegg having 3 stars is a big drawback from choosing the 7950. Price isn't a major major issue but I'm not in the money for now to invest in something like it. Do you know how the build as it is would perform in a game like skyrim?

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9/16/12 at 1:48pm
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Im leaning more towards the AMD type builds because of the cores and the speed of them. Im choosing the 1000 watts for the reason of future expanding onto the build. Ive read different reviews on the 7950 and have looked over it quite a bit, and they just don't seem to live up to what people say about them. The reviews on newegg having 3 stars is a big drawback from choosing the 7950. Price isn't a major major issue but I'm not in the money for now to invest in something like it. Do you know how the build as it is would perform in a game like skyrim?
Thanks for the feedback

That should be more than sufficient for Skyrim. Maybe someone running a BD cpu can chime in and give you numbers.
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9/16/12 at 1:49pm
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Im leaning more towards the AMD type builds because of the cores and the speed of them. Im choosing the 1000 watts for the reason of future expanding onto the build. Ive read different reviews on the 7950 and have looked over it quite a bit, and they just don't seem to live up to what people say about them. The reviews on newegg having 3 stars is a big drawback from choosing the 7950. Price isn't a major major issue but I'm not in the money for now to invest in something like it. Do you know how the build as it is would perform in a game like skyrim?
Thanks for the feedback

Don't confuse cores and speed as automatically being better. It isn't so cut and dry when you're comparing Intel to AMD. It isn't and apples to apples deal.

This is a list of benchmarks, and you'll see the 2500k wins in most of them.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/434?vs=288

And here is the conclusion of a review comparing the two.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD-FX-8150-vs-Core-i5-2500K-and-Core-i7-2600K-CPU-Review/1402/18

Just helping you to make a more informed decision.
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9/16/12 at 1:50pm
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Im leaning more towards the AMD type builds because of the cores and the speed of them. Im choosing the 1000 watts for the reason of future expanding onto the build. Ive read different reviews on the 7950 and have looked over it quite a bit, and they just don't seem to live up to what people say about them. The reviews on newegg having 3 stars is a big drawback from choosing the 7950. Price isn't a major major issue but I'm not in the money for now to invest in something like it. Do you know how the build as it is would perform in a game like skyrim?
Thanks for the feedback
just because amd has more cores and higher speed doesnt mean that it is better. remember, amd has a slower architecture, and no games will use more than 4 cores. again, 1000 watts is overkill. computer companies are trying to make things smaller, quieter, cooler, and use less power, so in the future, you will need even less power. a 670 will perform better than a 7950, but the 7950 is cheaper, and when overclocked, it will perform the same if not better. just because people on newegg say it is bad because they got unlucky, or they are just stupid, doesnt mean that it is bad. go with the samsung wonder ram and overclock it. i will do a build that will be great, and edit my post later.
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Motherboard $135
Asrock Z77 Extreme 4
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293

Ram $45
Samsung "Wonder Ram" 8gb
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Graphics Card $330
MSI Radeon HD 7950 Twin Frozr
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127667

Power Supply $130
SeaSonic X Series 650W
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Case $100
NZXT Phantom 410
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SSD $120
Samsung 830 series 128gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147163

You could get a new hard drive if you need more space, or want a faster, newer one. also i didnt include a cooler, but if you are overclocking , i would check out the Noctua NH D14, Corsair H80, or Corsair H100. You can also change the case around, but i would keep the power supply, CPU, Motherboard, Ram, and GPU the same. you dont really need a SSD, but it is nice to have, because if you install windows on it, you can get quick boot times.

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9/16/12 at 1:57pm
Either would be sufficient for gaming. I doubt in Skyrim you could tell the difference between playing on the FX-8150 or the i5 2500k. 1 thing I would add to your parts list is an SSD. For the OS if nothing else.
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9/16/12 at 2:08pm
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The FX-8150 will have no problems playing Skyrim if paired with a decent GPU.

I have just launched Skyrim on my FX-8150 with a HD 5450 just to see what FPS I got with it.( its attached to a 720p TV)

ATI HD5450
16:9 Wide Screen
1280x720 (Letterbox)
Anti 4 Sample
Filtering 8 Sample

12 FPS

ATI HD5450
16:9 Widescreen
1280x720 (Letterbox)
Anti Off
Filtering off

17 fps

Please note this GPU is not really designed for games.

Will add i7 2600k with a GTX 570 FPS below will also chuck my GTX 480 in the FX 8150 to give you a better idea how the FX performs with a reasonable card installed.

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i7 2600K GTX 570

GTX 570
16:9 Widescreen
1366x 768(Letterbox)
Anti x8
Filtering x8

60FPS

GTX 570
16:9 Widescreen
1366x 768(Letterbox)
Anti off
Filtering off

60FPS

Suspect game is locked to refresh rate. This is why the 60FPS on the GTX 570 with both setting.
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9/16/12 at 8:39pm
Cores generally don't help much in gaming. This is particularly true in Skyrim. Also, AMD chips are, across the board, slower per-core than Intel chips. You can't take Ghz ratings at face value here, because different architectures have different IPC - Instructions-Per-Clock.

Intel i5s are always superior for gaming than any AMD offering (sadly), excepting of course price. But the fx-8xxx chips have no price advantage.

Liquid Cooling is simply not worth it in terms of price/performance for gaming until (maybe) you get to 3+ heavily overclocked video cards. You are not anywhere near that budget.

Other than that, there's lots of things wrong with your setup, mostly involved in over spending on components where that spending will do virtually nothing for your performance (RAM, most obviously).

That money can be better spent on a larger monitor (or a 120hz monitor).

If you want more build help, please be clear about your budget, other uses for the computer, what parts are included in that budget (periperhaps, mouse, os), other concerns (like relatively quiet computing, flashy lights, whatever).
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