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Reading this thread is just sad. It's like a boy's club where everyone high-fives each other when someone makes a post, so they can all assure each other that they are correct.
There are arguments for a faster dual-core, or a slower quad-core, and both arguments have fair points. Anyone saying one is absolutely better than the other for a phone, is absolutely wrong. Years ago an E8400 was much better for games than a Q6600, 20-25% in many games. Nowadays PC games are utilizing more threads and I imagine that the Q6600 would win out in many cases.
My point, a faster dual-core may have more tangible benefits when running an application with fewer threads, if the OS isn't busy running many other processes in the background. A quad-core may be faster in the opposite case. What the phone manufacturers need to decide is which scenarios are more likely to occur, and which CPU choice will most benefit the user from not only a performance standpoint, but also in terms of battery life.
Long story short: You're all wrong, and also right, now please shut up and /thread.
Me. Saves on battery to not have stuff like Facebook still running and pushing me notifications in the background.

Aw yea high five

Killin' me. smile.gif
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Killin' me. smile.gif

Does anyone actually do high fives anymore? I haven't seen one since high school.
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Killin' me. smile.gif

Does anyone actually do high fives anymore? I haven't seen one since high school.

OCN does plenty of metaphorical ones. Large swaths of fanboys from each side pour into the new threads and group up to prove each group that the other is wrong. It's like being in middle/high school all over again.
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Reading this thread is just sad. It's like a boy's club where everyone high-fives each other when someone makes a post, so they can all assure each other that they are correct.
There are arguments for a faster dual-core, or a slower quad-core, and both arguments have fair points. Anyone saying one is absolutely better than the other for a phone, is absolutely wrong. Years ago an E8400 was much better for games than a Q6600, 20-25% in many games. Nowadays PC games are utilizing more threads and I imagine that the Q6600 would win out in many cases.
My point, a faster dual-core may have more tangible benefits when running an application with fewer threads, if the OS isn't busy running many other processes in the background. A quad-core may be faster in the opposite case. What the phone manufacturers need to decide is which scenarios are more likely to occur, and which CPU choice will most benefit the user from not only a performance standpoint, but also in terms of battery life.
Long story short: You're all wrong, and also right, now please shut up and /thread.
Me. Saves on battery to not have stuff like Facebook still running and pushing me notifications in the background.

I hope that this isn't referring to my post where I explicitly stated (repeatedly) that IPC and more cores both offer a tradeoff (which implicitly states that both are equal, though not the same, and neither is provably better for all applications).
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Reading this thread is just sad. It's like a boy's club where everyone high-fives each other when someone makes a post, so they can all assure each other that they are correct.
There are arguments for a faster dual-core, or a slower quad-core, and both arguments have fair points. Anyone saying one is absolutely better than the other for a phone, is absolutely wrong. Years ago an E8400 was much better for games than a Q6600, 20-25% in many games. Nowadays PC games are utilizing more threads and I imagine that the Q6600 would win out in many cases.
My point, a faster dual-core may have more tangible benefits when running an application with fewer threads, if the OS isn't busy running many other processes in the background. A quad-core may be faster in the opposite case. What the phone manufacturers need to decide is which scenarios are more likely to occur, and which CPU choice will most benefit the user from not only a performance standpoint, but also in terms of battery life.
Long story short: You're all wrong, and also right, now please shut up and /thread.
Me. Saves on battery to not have stuff like Facebook still running and pushing me notifications in the background.

I hope that this isn't referring to my post where I explicitly stated (repeatedly) that IPC and more cores both offer a tradeoff (which implicitly states that both are equal, though not the same, and neither is provably better for all applications).

Your post was one of the few sane and well thought-out posts in this thread. My post was an appeal to the others to quit bickering about which is better, to let them know they each have advantages and disadvantages.
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Multi-threaded = 1 or more threads.

It's pure rubbish to say there is no benefit to quad cores outside of stressing the CPU and that's part of my point. The dual core benefits NO MORE apps than the quad core.
Huh? I'm pretty sure multithreaded is two or more threads?

That's not what I said. Everything automatically benefits from a better architecture and/or higher clock speed. The quad-core requires supported apps and otherwise only benefits when multitasking.
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Reading this thread is just sad. It's like a boy's club where everyone high-fives each other when someone makes a post, so they can all assure each other that they are correct.

There are arguments for a faster dual-core, or a slower quad-core, and both arguments have fair points. Anyone saying one is absolutely better than the other for a phone, is absolutely wrong. Years ago an E8400 was much better for games than a Q6600, 20-25% in many games. Nowadays PC games are utilizing more threads and I imagine that the Q6600 would win out in many cases.

My point, a faster dual-core may have more tangible benefits when running an application with fewer threads, if the OS isn't busy running many other processes in the background. A quad-core may be faster in the opposite case. What the phone manufacturers need to decide is which scenarios are more likely to occur, and which CPU choice will most benefit the user from not only a performance standpoint, but also in terms of battery life.

Long story short: You're all wrong, and also right, now please shut up and /thread.
We're talking about a smartphone (or tablet) here though, not a computer. The latter is great at multitasking, the former is limited to one full screen app at a time and then background tasks like downloading and whatnot.

As I said earlier the quad-core is limited to improving multitasking (preventing bottlenecks) and supported apps. The faster dual-core will speed up the entire system.
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Curious, why not just turn off Push Notifications for FaceBook?
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Honestly we should all take a huge step back and just look and admire the level of computing power we have available that can fit in our pockets. Whether its an IPhone, HTC, or Galaxy S3, they all have tons of power for simply being cell phones. We need to stop arguing at which is better and just be content that we have these available to us. I have the (looked down upon) US Galaxy S3 and I can out bench older mobile Core 2's and mobile A64 X2's. That's impressive for a phone IMO.
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Huh? I'm pretty sure multithreaded is two or more threads?
That's not what I said. Everything automatically benefits from a better architecture and/or higher clock speed. The quad-core requires supported apps and otherwise only benefits when multitasking.
We're talking about a smartphone (or tablet) here though, not a computer. The latter is great at multitasking, the former is limited to one full screen app at a time and then background tasks like downloading and whatnot.
As I said earlier the quad-core is limited to improving multitasking (preventing bottlenecks) and supported apps. The faster dual-core will speed up the entire system.
Curious, why not just turn off Push Notifications for FaceBook?

The quad core speeds up the entire system doh.gif
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Sometimes parallelism is better than faster clock speeds. Sometimes it is not. It is very subjective and dependent on the application at hand.
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The quad core speeds up the entire system doh.gif

especially an oc'd one:



I'm surprised an owner of an ip5 hasn't showed us real benchmark numbers.
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