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lol you got this clown citing tomshardware, and then you got a guy who clearly knows way more than the guy arguing with him (who cites newegg reviews rofl).
Besides the fact that everyone knows TH is a joke (besides some of their benches for heatsinks and thermal paste, and only on stock settings, which is quite useless in and of itself...), those tests TH did was on stock voltage.
They completely failed to let you know that all of the motherboards in that round-up except good old biostar (they might make bad boards, but they aren't going to clip the wings on your motherboard and disable half it's features to force you to either buy more expensive just because of software or give you a limited motherboard) dont let you overvolt, or in the case of MSi, limit your voltage to 1.28.
Secondly, all those overclocks that TH did, was using software overclocking suites that the motherboards came with. Mind you, you can sometimes use such programs on different brands, software overclocking is totally worthless.
LN overclocking might not be useful, but it definitely says a lot when one mobo simply can't be used for ln2 overclocks and one can.
fan headers you have no control over, you mean? And why does anyone with such a system not have a fan controller for $10-25?
Thanks Dexel for your quality posts. +rep, I will be strongly considering the ud3h for my build. Definitely over the lk and extreme 4 at least.

Way to necro a 4 month old thread, so old that "this clown citing tomshardware" is enjoying his Gigabyte UP5-TH now rolleyes.gif.


But you will definitely enjoy the UD3H, great VRM nuff said. You might miss out on Extreme4's Clear CMOS button(external),Port 80 Debug LED & ALC898, you won't miss the ASRock fan control & analog VRM.
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i apologize i was a little harsh. sometimes we think we know what we really dont. TH has a lot of articles and stuff, just over time you start to see that, and newegg reviews (you didnt say that though) are so useless.

just frustrating to find good motherboard information, is all. Like a lot of motherboards will slightly overclock bclk at stock like by .1 so that they appear to be better in benches than other boards, or they won't report peak voltage but an average of high range voltage, etc, so it appears the board uses more or less voltage compared to another board for the same clock.
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But you will definitely enjoy the UD3H, great VRM nuff said. You might miss out on Extreme4's Clear CMOS button(external),Port 80 Debug LED & ALC898, you won't miss the ASRock fan control & analog VRM.

http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4153#ov

* An Onboard Clear CMOS buttons makes it easier than ever to reset your BIOS to its factory defaults.
* Onboard Power and Reset buttons are accompanied by a LED Debug Display that puts users in the driving seat when experimenting with different hardware configurations.

Gigabyte board has all those features.... and i think alc898 ie audio stuff, is a lot more than just the ICs, it's also how it's put in. In the grand scheme of things I really, really, really dont think it makes a difference, they wont be any noticeable difference, if you really want extreme sound you get a sound card anyways (or a higher end board...)... For all we know, the ga board has better sound anyways.

As for analog VRM... multiple members have posted here saying that digital VRM isn't any better, particularly, than analog. It's about the quality of the VRM and phases, capacitors, chokes, specifically, the mosfet chips really those are the 'worst', than being digital or analog. You can have crap digital or high quality analogue. It's not really a feature worth payin more on it's own...

I think the asus p8z77 lk, extreme4, and ud3h are all good boards but i think the ud3h is like way better, given it can do things like ln2 overclocking. the d3h board i think doesnt have certain voltages... vtt and ram ie ddr voltage i think, bu thas all the other voltages.
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I just purchased both the extreme4 and the giga ud3h along with an i3-3225s and an i5-3570k. My original intent was to build a low power budget htpc but as usual I fell prey to slick marketing... I started out purchasing the i3 with the hd4000 igpu back in september as a starting point. I knew this chip was missing some key features (pcie 3 and overclocking)

When I started looking at the h77 offerings I was disappointed in the limitations that the manufacturers have imposed.. (like just 1 pcie x16 and no crossfire) Plus I was trying to get myself a board that was of good build quality without wasting too many features on the i3 chip.. Intel did an excellent job of crippling the i3 by ommitting the PCIE 3.0 and overclocking.. (thanks a**holes)

I'm a little mad that the mobo companies didn't make an H77 board that supports pcie 2 / crossfire / and outfit it with high quality vrms and a nice heavy pcb. Kinda screws over folks who wanted to build a modest system.

At first thought I could find a z68 or p67 board with pcie2 but the prices were too high for my taste for such old stuff. After much frustration I decided to look a H77 boards.. more disappointment.. these marketers really put consumers thru the ringer with all of the mis-information an exaggerated claims... its such that even intermediate users (like me) can still be misled...

Case in point (or should I say mobo) .. the extreme4.. I got sucked in by the alc898 codec.. two pretty heatsinks on the vrms and bogus claims of 8+4 phase power.. Its my fault for not doing more research.. I googled reviews and found several that focused on the functions and not the quality of the components. When I learned that the extreme4 was using outdated / obsolete D-PAK mosfets and then seen firsthand how thin the pcb was ...I was totaly bummed out that I purchased it. Its probably a good enough board for an i3, but I'm not shooting for good enough.. I wanted a solid board to use in a 24/7 htpc role with the ability to do mild gaming on occasion.

I am still on the fence about using it. I bought the extreme4 back in late october but have yet to take it out of the box. I've been stuggling with justifying a z77 chipset board for the i3. (its a budget chip afterall) Damn you intel.. why don't you cut us poor system builders a break and give us a dual core with similiar features to the i5 and i7.

Well they won out over my discipline.. Microcenter put the i5 3570k on sale and also knocked $40 off any mobo purch on new yeares eve so I drove over there and picked up the i5 and and gigabyte ga-z77x-ud3h.. After I got home and started looking at the gigabyte board i realized just how much better quality it has over the extreme4. Also found some very good reviews here that discuss the vrm phases and learned that asrocks purported claim of 8 phases is an exaggeration / borderline LIE. Their doubling up the phases so its really not a true 8 phase.. its 4 phase..

The extreme4 appears to be a decent performer but I can't help but wonder how long it will hold up in a 24/7 role.
I was thinking about selling the extreme4 (hope I can get $100 for it) and buying another ud3 or maybe a ud5. I like the build quality of these boards.

Anybody got opinions on if I should sell it or use it with the i3.
    
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You know, doing further research, I've actually come to learn that the UD3H's PCB is specially made to not absorb moisture, thus to make it good for LN/2 overclocking. I actually am not sure that the board is actually better at overclocking, per se, it just has a special PCB that makes it 'better' for LN2.

So, as far as I understand it, because maybe the UD3h just has better VRM components and such and build quality, but the UD3H might not be a better overclocker, and the whole "Well it can do LN2 and the Extreme4 cannot and thus the ud3h is a better overclocker in general" might not hold true. I might be missing something here, but maybe the UD3h isn't any better in performance than the extreme4. The only difference I know of, on the UD3h, is a few convenience features like reset button and cmos button (the extreme4 has a few conveniences too though), but im not sure if there's any difference in performance or VRM quality.

A camera that has more megapixels will be better than a camera that doesn't, and thus better for photos on the beach. A camera that is waterproof, will also be better for taking photos on the beach than a camera that isn't. But a camera that's waterproof, isn't going to be any better than a non-waterproof camera, for taking photos of wildlife, while a camera that has more megapixels, will be better for photos in wildlife than one that has less megapixels.

The UD3H might actually not be a better overclocker than the Extreme4, just because of the fact it can do LN2 cooling and the extreme4 can't (or isn't, im not sure if 'can't' is even the right word for that...).

That's my analogy for the day. If someone could clear up, for sure, if the ud3h is actually any better, performance wise, than the extreme 4.... id love to hear it.

edit: NCoastTweaker. That's the best post I've ever read on OCN. You're awesome. Your post is what newegg reviews wish they could be. Finally, someone who has had both products in question and compares them, instead of the stupid posts you always get on such X vs Y questions where someone has only one of the products and just says it works well for them and thus that's why they recommend it and it must be better than item Y.

edit2: either sell the board for money and buy a cheaper one or keep it if convenience is more important than trying to turn a buck. Do you really need crossfire for a light gaming/htpc? You can't buy a low end z77 or even a used p67/z68 (they even have crossfire on them) like a g41/g43 (horrible for overclocking, but just for an i3...) or p8p67/p8z68/p8z77 lx/le/lk or ds3 or d3h (you could stick with gigabyte on that one!) or pro3/pro4 or biostar's lower end boards (ime, biostar is awesome for customer and technical support and at the low end of the price range they really pack in the features and unlike the bigger brands, they dont neuter the board by removing tons of features in the software to force you to buy their higher end boards)?
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Hi Belial,
I never intended on having two boards / cpus. tongue.gif The i5 / ud3h purchase was more impulse than common sense. I just could'nt resist those sale prices.. (and I let the marketing schemes tempt me into wanting to leverage the full z77 feature set) I still plan on using the i3 for the 24/7 htpc due to its low heat/power usage. At least intel was kind enough to put in the hd4000 igp on the i3. Prior to buying the ud3h I didn't know there were so many comparisons being made with the extreme4. Wish I could claim some plan but in reality it was more dumb luck than anything else.. rolleyes.gif

Another thing I just learned reading thru the manuals... mvp lucid is only supported on single video card installation ... no xfire.. (damn!) just one more thump on the knee for htpc! I also have an amd thuban on an msi gd70 board with two hd6950 twin frozr iii's and it performs admirably as an htcp / medium grade gamer. But it sucks the power.. I've haven't screwed around with intel stuff so these two boards will be my first intel builds. Heck, if the i3 igpu does well enough for HTPC I might just use that all by itself..

One critique about the ud3h feature set.. Why m-sata using sata ii? That was a BONEHEADED design choice. What were they thinking? (damn Marketers) They should have allowed the m-sata to share one of the two sata iii ports instead.. To me they just wasted space on the board by hooking up the m-sata to SATA II. I will not be using it as a cache drive. If I get an SSD it will be sata iii and I will use it as an os drive on sata iii ports. If the m-sata can be used as a standalone device (secondary ssd drive) then it might not be a total waste.. it just would have been a really cool and more common sense design to have the m-sata share a sata iii instead of sata ii port.

General build guideline for HTPC:
CPU: i3-3225
PSU: 750watt Rosewill Fortress (never tried this brand before, may swap in the corsair 650tx from the old htpc after its de-commissioned)
MEM: Patriot Viper DDR3-PC1600 2 x 4GB sticks (included with the asrock board on a promo deal, plenty good for an i3)
MOBO: ? (I might try out the extreme4 but I feel like its really too much board for an i3. So is the UD3H for that matter..)
COOLING: stock i5 cooler for the i3 cpu, Rasa 750 respump combo and ek water block for the top vid card, double thick 120mm rad)
VID CARDs: XFX-HD-6870 ref x2 (I'll try out the air cooled hd-6870 initially, may add the 2nd 6870 and swap in the Rasa 750 res/pump and 120mm black ice rad from the old HTPC)
CASE: Not sure if I'm using a case. I might put mobo standoffs inside of my AV rack shelf and box it in with low noise fans / filters.


I'll have to keep looking at mobo's to find a better fit for the i3. I need a board with pcie 2.0 (with 2 16x lanes) and a 1x or 4x pcie slot.. skt 1155 and able to support ivb with decent build quality and lucid mvp, native 6GBPS sata iii support. I need it to be fast enough to stream six tuners over a wired / wireless network while still being able to surf the web etc on a 2nd monitor. (1080p res)
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Because it's a more value oriented board.

It's the Extreme4, P8Z77-LK, and UD3h (and maybe to a very small extent, msi g45 and biostar's boards, although biostar is probably better lower price range, imo biostar is the best board to go with if you dont need SLI and want to really go budget, it has all the same features just no sli, other similarly priced no-sli asus/ga/asrock/msi boards have locked software/overclocking like voltage control, ram voltage, etc) that all have a half decent VRM, they don't have any locked bios features or overclocking/voltage/multiplier locks, and they all have SLI.

With the exception of biostar boards (which are budget, cheap boards, they are great value but they still are cheap boards), you pretty much aren't going to find a non-SLI board that allows you full overclocking control. All of the MSI, Asrock, Asus, and GA boards below the Extreme4/LK/UD3h deny voltage control, deny ram control, etc.

They are the cheapest full featured for overclocking boards, I guess you can say, so they should be enough for most people, but yea things like msata might not be there. And wouldnt sata3 be better on the full ports instead of msata? I mean even sata3 isn't really fully used on full sized ssds yet, sicne 4k write/reads are going past the sata2 bandwidth limitation, as i understand it, for the most part (or affordable ssd's). do you need msata3.0?

i believe ud3h is the only of those boards that have msata at all though, or is the cheapest board with an msata port.
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Yeah.. its a real dilemma.. I have this nifty little i3 that only supports pcie 2, and no overclocking or turboboost..
I really want to see what the i3 cpu will do with two AMD GPU's in crossfire.. and maybe even try to OC the gpu's in the process..

Functionality wishlist:
- primary use as HTPC in 24/7 operating envionment
- 2x pcie 2.0 x16 slots with full x16 capability.
- support for two HD6870's in xfire. SLI is not required.
- support SSD for the OS (prolly a med sized one.. on sata III native controller.
- able to OC the memory and igpu of the HD4000
- support for lucid mvp
- able to OC the memory of the DIMMs
- able to OC the Video cards..
- CPU overclocking not required
- PCIE 3.0 not required
- USB 3.0 not required.
- low cost.. around $100..maybe a little more


at the same time I want to use the same board (whatever it is) for HTPC and use Lucid mvp (for transcoding h.264 container files)
- but lucid only supports single card installs.. not xfire..
- would like some decent vrm's but most mobo makers drop those on H77 boards.. (I can't blame them for wanting to keep cost low)
- 2 pcie 2.0 x16 slots also hard to find on H77..
- USB 3.0 support is not important to me yet. (tuners use usb2 and pcie 2.0 1x)

So that leaves last years models z68 or P67 (not sure if lucid mvp support exists on older chipsets)
SSD caching does not interest me too much. I think its more efficient to run the ssd as the os drive)

Man its tough trying to find a good fit.. (especially with all of my unreasonable expectations!)
    
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Looks like the biggest hurdle is getting board with two fully functional pcie 2.0 slots with x16 x16 xfire..
Only boards with a PLX chip seem to be able to support dual x16 mode. That limits it to high end mobo's..
like the Gigabyte GA-z68x-UD7-B3 or maybe the asrock extreme7..

Found some used ones... but they are still pricey due to being so high end..

I'm not even sure that two 1920 x 1080 monitors with hd6870's would even need it..
I probably will have to live with x8 x8 or be ready to spend $150 on a used high end mobo..
No telling how hard those boards may have been run...

fooey...
    
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Cheapest with PLX is G1 Sniper 3 and ECS mobo.

Cheapest with nforce200 is whatever on Z68...

Dual SLI/Cross on x16/x16 with PLX is actually worse than x8/x8 without it if I remember correctly.
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Looks like the biggest hurdle is getting board with two fully functional pcie 2.0 slots with x16 x16 xfire..
Only boards with a PLX chip seem to be able to support dual x16 mode. That limits it to high end mobo's..
like the Gigabyte GA-z68x-UD7-B3 or maybe the asrock extreme7..
Found some used ones... but they are still pricey due to being so high end..
I'm not even sure that two 1920 x 1080 monitors with hd6870's would even need it..
I probably will have to live with x8 x8 or be ready to spend $150 on a used high end mobo..
No telling how hard those boards may have been run...
fooey...

A pair of HD 6870s certainly don't need x16 to operate at their best. Even 7970s only show minor differences.
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