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post #21 of 38
MCP35X pumps should be connected to channel 4 of Aquaero which can do PWM control, power for them will come straight from Molex connectors so they won't load Aquaero at all.
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post #22 of 38
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Originally Posted by xyeLz View Post

I have 22 fans. 0.22A max running load per fan (so theoretically I can do them all split between the PA2s) but they're running at 75%. The startup amperage of .97A per fan is what concerns me since 8 fans on one PA at startup (100% power) is 93W, exceeding the 45 if they really start with that much power. Controlling the pumps is not a necessity, merely a desire. Ideally it would be perfect, literally, to power both pumps with the Aquaero and the fans with the 3xPA2 in faceplate.
I will probably not go for cooling on the Aquaero though even though it looks amazing.

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Originally Posted by xyeLz View Post

As a matter of fact, even 6 fans (the minimum I could run on a single PA if I do things this way) would draw upwards of 60W startup at 100% power. Is there a way to throttle this?
Even running 8 at 75% startup run over 70W if my math is correct. Im no electrician so it may well be wrong. I just assume 0.97A startup multiplied by 12V is 11.xx per fan but I honestly don't know how the voltage and amperage tie in. redface.gif
Gah, itd be perfect to put the pumps on the Aquaero and then 8 fans on PA 1, 8 fans on PA 2, and 6 on PA 3. Im assuming not possible? frown.gif

My point is simple, the Aquasuite software will allow you to adjust everything. You will have 45 W's available on each PA2 at startup and that does not include the A5. You will be able to do everything you want.
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post #23 of 38
The Aquaero 5 is undoubtedly awesome, but personally spending over $200 for fan/pump control is not realistic to me. I would reconsider when I get my TH10, and have 2-4 560 rads and 2-4 (mix of) 240/280/360/420 rads all in push pull, but for the price I would rather spend the money on more cooling parts or put it towards another GTX670 FTW or something.
I have the Bitfenix Hydra Pro and it's awesome, absolutely awesome. I have 2 channels with 3x 140mm Bgears Blasters on each, 1 channel with 4 120x25mm 2600rpm Koolance fans, and still have 2 free channels and enough overhead to add 2-3 fans on each of the channels I'm already using. The sliders look awesome, much better than dials and don't have any quirks like touchscreen units often do. Plus, the Hydra Pro can control the LEDs on Bitfenix Spectre fans and as I will be adding 4-5 Spectre Pro PWM 140mm fans in white with white LEDs, I really like the feature. Not only can you turn the LEDs on and off, but the sliders control the brightness relative to the fans speed. For $30-35, I would not be able to recommend anything else over it.
Also, as the MCP35X pumps are PWM, you just need to attach them to MB fan headers, or ideally use a 4pin PWM splitter to have both on the CPU header.
   
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post #24 of 38
Get the LT version, it's about $70 and can do everything the more expensive ones can, just without the front display.
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post #25 of 38
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Originally Posted by theseekeroffun View Post

My point is simple, the Aquasuite software will allow you to adjust everything. You will have 45 W's available on each PA2 at startup and that does not include the A5. You will be able to do everything you want.
Patience is a virtue weed-hopper....biggrin.gif.

Okay so I can put the two pumps on the Aquero which is fine. I won't require any extra cooling for this device.

My concern is the fans on the there Poweradjusts. As I mentioned, here is what I would need to do configuration wise:

POWERADJUST 1
Connector A: 4 x AP-29 @ 60% RPM
Connector B: 4 x AP-29 @ 70% RPM

Total running: 21W @ 100%
Total startup: 93W @ 100%

POWERADJUST 2
Connector A: 4 x AP-29 @ 70% RPM
Connector B: 4 x AP-29 @ 70% RPM

Total running: 21W @ 100%
Total startup: 93W @ 100%

POWERADJUST 3
Connector A: 3 x AP-29 @ 60% RPM
Connector B: 3 x AP-29 @ 60% RPM

Total running: 16W @ 100%
Total startup: 70W @ 100%

Clearly the running wattage is fine. But startup is unacceptable. Can someone explain how it works? These fans are 12V fans with a 0.970mA startup. That's almost 12W to startup per fan. If I run them at 60 or 70% power, does this run them at 60/70% voltage, amperage, or both?

Can the poweradjust be configured to startup at 15% and after a few seconds boot up to full power? Or will it throttle the power and some fans will automatically startup at lower wattage because the controller couldn't handle the higher voltage? Or will it blow up?
post #26 of 38
scythe kaze's are what i use they give me ambient temp and the rpm of fans
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scythe kaze's are what i use they give me ambient temp and the rpm of fans
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post #28 of 38
XyeLz,

What is your ultimate goal of this build?

With your GTX 360 and GTX 480 you have more cooling power than your two 580's and your 980 will come close to producing so not clear why you went with AP-29's and now trying to throttle them. Should have done AP-15's that draw 0.083 A and could have run a ton off the Aquaero 5 like I did (I have 8 off one channel). I feel like your saying I bought a V8 but I only want to drive 5 mph, so how do I do this.

In the Aquasuite software you can configure the minimum and maximum fan power and even set a current limiting level. As long as you do not start your fans at 100% you should be OK. Why don't you PM shoggy to verify before you drop buckets of cash on controllers.

Screen shot of the fan control in the Aquasuite software.

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XyeLz,
What is your ultimate goal of this build?
With your GTX 360 and GTX 480 you have more cooling power than your two 580's and your 980 will come close to producing so not clear why you went with AP-29's and now trying to throttle them. Should have done AP-15's that draw 0.083 A and could have run a ton off the Aquaero 5 like I did (I have 8 off one channel). I feel like your saying I bought a V8 but I only want to drive 5 mph, so how do I do this.
In the Aquasuite software you can configure the minimum and maximum fan power and even set a current limiting level. As long as you do not start your fans at 100% you should be OK. Why don't you PM shoggy to verify before you drop buckets of cash on controllers.
Screen shot of the fan control in the Aquasuite software.

You're correct. I bought AP-29s because of their "possibility" of extreme cooling. To be honest, once I realized how loud they actually are at 100%, I determined that it wasn't necessary. Honestly I would shoot for about 75% on intake and 70% or 65% on exhaust. This provides great cooling with decent audibles. Martin recommended 2200 for these so 75% is ideal. Plus, the all black puts them over the AP-15s for me alone. wink.gif

I appreciate the response. I don't mind paying extra for the controller and poweradjust. I think they look great in the bay as well so that's a plus but functionality is key for these. That software looks fantastic.

As for your analogy, I would say I bought a V8 but I'm limited by the speed limit. wink.gif

EDIT: So it looks like startboost is what I'm looking for?

How many 3-pin connectors does each poweradjust allow for?
Edited by xyeLz - 9/20/12 at 3:18pm
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EDIT: So it looks like startboost is what I'm looking for?
How many 3-pin connectors does each poweradjust allow for?

1) Yes, you can use smartboost to set a minimum start % or voltage and for how long. Using this you can find what the lowest start up value is, set that and then allow the fans to throttle back from that to the lowest setting they will run. Then you can have them automatically spin up to your 75% when the water temp sensor (I assume you have one of those) gets above a certain point. Or you can use something like average CPU/GPU temp but it really is the water temp you care about. This keeps the fans and pumps from spinning up and down just because you hit 100% load for 2 minutes.

So for my AP-15's I have it set to 35% and then minimum fan power to 25%. They won't start at only 25%. You can also use "hold minimum" to prevent them from turning off if you want. At the very bottom you set the minimum and maximum RPM or power so you could set that to 2200 RPM and the max so they will never run above that regardless of the load.



You get one 3 pin fan / pump header, one USB header, two aquabus 3 pin headers (do not confuse these with fan headers), and one temp prob 2 pin header. The Aquabus 3 pin headers are how you daisy chain these modules to each other and then back to the Aquaero 5. So you would use a 3-pin distribution block or combine your wires together to a single header to plug in to the power-adjust and keep it below 25 Watts (2.08A) continuous per.

I just realized you did your math with 8 fans per PA-Ultra not 4. There is only one fan header capable of 25W continuous / 48W peak per PA-Ultra not two, so you need to double your order and fill two bays with PA-Ultra threesomes. Again, if you are just going to run them at 75% all the time, this is a very expensive solution.

The value of the Aquasuite / Aquaero combo is how it can keep your rig dead silent when your just surfing the web and auto ramp it up based on any parameters you set. It also provides amazing levels of monitoring.

For example:



You can see at idle my dual 35x pumps are running at 1100 RPM for 0.2 GPM flow and my fans are running at 30% ~ 600 / 700 RPM. This is because I am at a 2.5C air/water delta and only 1.9C temp difference from water coming off the block into the rads vs. water coming out of the rads.

And here is my simple ramps:



I have my pumps and rad fans ramp up based on water temp coming into the rads and my case fans ramp based on the ambient temp inside the case.

Make sure you are getting PA-Ultra, not standard PA's because they do not handle as much power.

Let me know if you have any other questions.
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