Overclock.net › Forums › Graphics Cards › AMD/ATI › ATI Cooling › Water cooling not working?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Water cooling not working?

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
To get some things out of the way first, this is not my first time watercooling. There is no overclocking taking place on any of the hardware in this rig. Anyways, I consider myself to be quite versed and experienced with computer hardware, as I am a modder, but this has got me scratching my head.

I normally think of water cooling as a way to get the best performance and lower temps in the best ways possible. I'm not seeing that at the moment. My predicament is that I seem to be getting worse temps if not the same fully watercooled compared to air cooling. As of right now I am watercooling the CPU and 2 GPU's in crossfire with 2 rads in the loop. My idle temps on the GPU's are normally 35c as well as the CPU if not lower. With the load temps for the GPU's hanging around 78-80c, mind you I am also running a 3 monitor Eyefinity setup. I get awesome framerates in BF3 around the 100fps mark avg, though it still crashes every ~5mins. all settings on high settings. After some other readings and experience with these cards pre and post watercooling my temps now aren't any much different. Hardware is as Follows:

-Case: Corsair 600t white
-mobo: Asus p9x79pro
-CPU: i7 3820
-RAM: 4x2gb Ripjaws Z Series ddr3 2133 F3-17000CL9Q-8GBZH
-GPU1: HIS Radeon 7970
-GPU2: HIS Radeon 7970
-PSU: XFX 1050w Proseries Black Edition
-GPU waterblocks: Swiftech Komodo fullcover waterblock
-SSD: Corsair Force3 180gb
-HDD: WD 640gb(storage)
-2x120mm rad push from xspc 750rs kit
-200mm phobia rad push/pull
-xspc dual bay res/pump combo with Alphacool VPP655 Variable Speed Pump


I normally leave the side panel off. But back to the issue. Its quite disappointing to put all this time and money into a watercooled rig for it to get beat by air cooled systems. Anyone with some thoughts please respond. Will have some pics of the rig up soon either on here or in the watercooling forum. And if anyone is still having trouble with running BF3 in Crossfire Eyefinity please let me know. Thanks.
post #2 of 22
Your issue is with the rads. If by "2x 120mm 750rs" you mean this...

http://www.google.ca/imgres?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&tbm=isch&tbnid=_NJInQFe2cVt1M:&imgrefurl=http://www.overclock.net/t/882408/official-xspc-rasa-750-rs-rx120-240-360-kit-club&docid=C_K9JFteG7_3NM&imgurl=http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/5233/rs240kit.jpg&w=630&h=517&ei=JoxiUJeAPIHh0QGilYG4Bg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=472&vpy=413&dur=2759&hovh=203&hovw=248&tx=177&ty=100&sig=110636709795057943211&page=1&tbnh=161&tbnw=198&start=0&ndsp=30&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0,i:96&biw=1236&bih=1047

And a 200mm, this is no where near enough for two 7970's and a X79 processor. A double thick (40-50mm) 360mm radiator would be enough to comfortably have your two 7970's on and get decently better temps. Adding an X79 would require probably another 240mm (or 200mm) at the front.

In short, the 2x 120mm rad is poop. You need, at least, a 40/50mm thick rad in addition to the 200 to start seeing temps fall.

When I had water cooling, a 50mm 360 rad was enough for a 1155 and one 7970 to keep my GPU and processor at 45C load.

I also would not trust that any pump from XSPC is even remotely any good, but that is secondary.
Edited by GridIroN - 9/25/12 at 10:09pm
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 2500K MSI Z77 MPower XFX HD 7970 Corsair Dominator Platinum 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung 840 EK Supreme HF CSQ Copper/Acetal CPU Block EK CSQ Copper/Acetal HD7970 GPU Block EK Multioption Res X3 250mm 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Laing D5 with EK CSQ Top Bitspower Matte Black Fittings TFC X360 Radiator with 3x Koolance 12025HBK Windows 8 Pro 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Viewsonic VP2770 27" PLS HP LP2475w IPS 24" Panel Filco Magestouch Ninja Cherry Red Corsair AX 760i  
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 800D Razer Deathadder 2013 Razer Manticor FiiO E10 Olympus DAC 
Other
AKG K550 Closed Reference Headset.  
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 2500K MSI Z77 MPower XFX HD 7970 Corsair Dominator Platinum 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung 840 EK Supreme HF CSQ Copper/Acetal CPU Block EK CSQ Copper/Acetal HD7970 GPU Block EK Multioption Res X3 250mm 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Laing D5 with EK CSQ Top Bitspower Matte Black Fittings TFC X360 Radiator with 3x Koolance 12025HBK Windows 8 Pro 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Viewsonic VP2770 27" PLS HP LP2475w IPS 24" Panel Filco Magestouch Ninja Cherry Red Corsair AX 760i  
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 800D Razer Deathadder 2013 Razer Manticor FiiO E10 Olympus DAC 
Other
AKG K550 Closed Reference Headset.  
  hide details  
Reply
post #3 of 22
its your rads if you listed it right you have 2 rs120s for cpu and 2 gpus that put out alot of heat you would do good to have a rx/ax360 and rx/ax240. Thats what i run for my setup with 2600k@5ghz and 5970 with a 5870 and in the worst case my gpus only hit 50c and thats with a ton of volts thru them for boinc/folding/mining type stuff gaming they hardly break 40c with cpu staying in the 60s for gaming.
post #4 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by GridIroN View Post

Your issue is with the rads. If by "2x 120mm 750rs" you mean this...
http://www.google.ca/imgres?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&tbm=isch&tbnid=_NJInQFe2cVt1M:&imgrefurl=http://www.overclock.net/t/882408/official-xspc-rasa-750-rs-rx120-240-360-kit-club&docid=C_K9JFteG7_3NM&imgurl=http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/5233/rs240kit.jpg&w=630&h=517&ei=JoxiUJeAPIHh0QGilYG4Bg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=472&vpy=413&dur=2759&hovh=203&hovw=248&tx=177&ty=100&sig=110636709795057943211&page=1&tbnh=161&tbnw=198&start=0&ndsp=30&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0,i:96&biw=1236&bih=1047
And a 200mm, this is no where near enough for two 7970's and a X79 processor. A double thick (40-50mm) 360mm radiator would be enough to comfortably have your two 7970's on and get decently better temps. Adding an X79 would require probably another 240mm (or 200mm) at the front.
In short, the 2x 120mm rad is poop. You need, at least, a 40/50mm thick rad in addition to the 200 to start seeing temps fall.
When I had water cooling, a 50mm 360 rad was enough for a 1155 and one 7970 to keep my GPU and processor at 45C load.
I also would not trust that any pump from XSPC is even remotely any good, but that is secondary.



2x120 = 240mm.

200mm = 360mm rad.



OP, you're gpu blocks are the most restrictive blocks you can get on the market. This coupled with the beginner pump in the XSPC kit does not bode well. Your rads are ok, could be better. Is your kit a RS or RX kit? The 200mm rad while being as large or larger than a 360 rad, has terrible fan support so taking advantage of that large surface area is harder.


I'd looking into a new pump and res, for ex. mcp35x and whatever tube res. It's a shame you got the alphacool single... it's a good pump but on max it only has 4psi dynamic head pressure and that will hurt with your gpu blocks. Is your 200mm a Phobya?


Also, for you gpus, reinstall your drivers. You'll have to experiment and find a driver that is happy with your gpus.
Edited by tsm106 - 9/25/12 at 10:18pm
The 3930
(23 items)
 
Junior's 3820
(18 items)
 
SO's HTPC 2500K
(17 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3930K Asus Rampage IV Extreme XFX 7970 Black Edition Diamond 7970 x3 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 2400mhz 4gb x4 Samsung 830 128gb x2 Seagate 3TB 7200rpm Asus BD ext 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Alphacool Monsta 480 + Nova 1080x2 Alphacool XP3 + EK RIVE Quad EK-FC7970 GT AP15 x22 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
MCP35x x3 Win7 Pro x64 Asus VS229H-P x3 Lepa 1600 
CaseAudioAudioAudio
Corsair 700D Yamaha NeoHD YMC-500 Dayton Audio BS36 Energy MSW M6 
  hide details  
Reply
The 3930
(23 items)
 
Junior's 3820
(18 items)
 
SO's HTPC 2500K
(17 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3930K Asus Rampage IV Extreme XFX 7970 Black Edition Diamond 7970 x3 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 2400mhz 4gb x4 Samsung 830 128gb x2 Seagate 3TB 7200rpm Asus BD ext 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Alphacool Monsta 480 + Nova 1080x2 Alphacool XP3 + EK RIVE Quad EK-FC7970 GT AP15 x22 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
MCP35x x3 Win7 Pro x64 Asus VS229H-P x3 Lepa 1600 
CaseAudioAudioAudio
Corsair 700D Yamaha NeoHD YMC-500 Dayton Audio BS36 Energy MSW M6 
  hide details  
Reply
post #5 of 22
hes got a 655 variable speed. thats plenty of pump, unless he is using that inline with the stock xspc 750 pump then that might be an issue. but based on his post im guessing he has THIS and not THIS like you may be thinking
The Rack
(14 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3820 ASRock x79 Extreme7 Windforce 7950 Windforce 7950 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Kingston HyperX 16GB Samsung 840 Rosewill CM Hyper 212 EVO 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 7 Achieva Shimian 27" Razer Black Widow Ultimate Seasonic X1250 
CaseMouse
Danger Den Torture rack Roccta Kone+ 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3570k ASRock Z77E GTX 480 Samsung 30nm 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
OCZ Agility 3 Apogee Drive II - Alphacool nexxxos UT60  DD copper GTX480 block Windows 7 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Black Widow OCZ ZT 750w Bitfenix Prodigy roccat kone+ 
  hide details  
Reply
The Rack
(14 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3820 ASRock x79 Extreme7 Windforce 7950 Windforce 7950 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Kingston HyperX 16GB Samsung 840 Rosewill CM Hyper 212 EVO 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 7 Achieva Shimian 27" Razer Black Widow Ultimate Seasonic X1250 
CaseMouse
Danger Den Torture rack Roccta Kone+ 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3570k ASRock Z77E GTX 480 Samsung 30nm 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
OCZ Agility 3 Apogee Drive II - Alphacool nexxxos UT60  DD copper GTX480 block Windows 7 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Black Widow OCZ ZT 750w Bitfenix Prodigy roccat kone+ 
  hide details  
Reply
post #6 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by tsm106 View Post

2x120 = 240mm.
200mm = 360mm rad.
OP, you're gpu blocks are the most restrictive blocks you can get on the market. This coupled with the beginner pump in the XSPC kit does not bode well. Your rads are ok, could be better. Is your kit a RS or RX kit? The 200mm rad while being as large or larger than a 360 rad, has terrible fan support so taking advantage of that large surface area is harder.
I'd looking into a new pump and res, for ex. mcp35x and whatever tube res. It's a shame you got the alphacool single... it's a good pump but on max it only has 4psi dynamic head pressure and that will hurt with your gpu blocks. Is your 200mm a Phobya?
Also, for you gpus, reinstall your drivers. You'll have to experiment and find a driver that is happy with your gpus.

good catch i missed reading that he had a 200mm also his pump should be strong enugh i would think my mcp655-b handles my setup that shouldnt be much differt im not sure how resrictive my block are tho.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboMach1 View Post

hes got a 655 variable speed. thats plenty of pump, unless he is using that inline with the stock xspc 750 pump then that might be an issue. but based on his post im guessing he has THIS and not THIS like you may be thinking

What i think hes saying is hes using the xspc dual bay res made to handle a 655 i use one for my mcp655-b works pretty good.
post #7 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by GridIroN View Post

Your issue is with the rads. If by "2x 120mm 750rs" you mean this...
http://www.google.ca/imgres?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&tbm=isch&tbnid=_NJInQFe2cVt1M:&imgrefurl=http://www.overclock.net/t/882408/official-xspc-rasa-750-rs-rx120-240-360-kit-club&docid=C_K9JFteG7_3NM&imgurl=http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/5233/rs240kit.jpg&w=630&h=517&ei=JoxiUJeAPIHh0QGilYG4Bg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=472&vpy=413&dur=2759&hovh=203&hovw=248&tx=177&ty=100&sig=110636709795057943211&page=1&tbnh=161&tbnw=198&start=0&ndsp=30&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0,i:96&biw=1236&bih=1047
And a 200mm, this is no where near enough for two 7970's and a X79 processor. A double thick (40-50mm) 360mm radiator would be enough to comfortably have your two 7970's on and get decently better temps. Adding an X79 would require probably another 240mm (or 200mm) at the front.
In short, the 2x 120mm rad is poop. You need, at least, a 40/50mm thick rad in addition to the 200 to start seeing temps fall.
When I had water cooling, a 50mm 360 rad was enough for a 1155 and one 7970 to keep my GPU and processor at 45C load.
I also would not trust that any pump from XSPC is even remotely any good, but that is secondary.
My XSPC pump is absolutely great, what gives you this thought??
post #8 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by tsm106 View Post

2x120 = 240mm.
200mm = 360mm rad.

Disagree. His rads are 25mm's if what he's saying is what he got from the 750 kit. Unless he paired them with the perfect 120mm fans, they won't be as good as double thick 40-50mm rads, so that right there cuts his dissipation down.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Socks keep you warm View Post

My XSPC pump is absolutely great, what gives you this thought??

If it's a 655 variant from Laing, it's fine, but if it's some OEM thingy like a previous poster alluded too, it's probably poop. On top of which XSPC is probably the least reputable of the water cooling companies and typically make some pretty cheapo stuff.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 2500K MSI Z77 MPower XFX HD 7970 Corsair Dominator Platinum 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung 840 EK Supreme HF CSQ Copper/Acetal CPU Block EK CSQ Copper/Acetal HD7970 GPU Block EK Multioption Res X3 250mm 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Laing D5 with EK CSQ Top Bitspower Matte Black Fittings TFC X360 Radiator with 3x Koolance 12025HBK Windows 8 Pro 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Viewsonic VP2770 27" PLS HP LP2475w IPS 24" Panel Filco Magestouch Ninja Cherry Red Corsair AX 760i  
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 800D Razer Deathadder 2013 Razer Manticor FiiO E10 Olympus DAC 
Other
AKG K550 Closed Reference Headset.  
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 2500K MSI Z77 MPower XFX HD 7970 Corsair Dominator Platinum 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung 840 EK Supreme HF CSQ Copper/Acetal CPU Block EK CSQ Copper/Acetal HD7970 GPU Block EK Multioption Res X3 250mm 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Laing D5 with EK CSQ Top Bitspower Matte Black Fittings TFC X360 Radiator with 3x Koolance 12025HBK Windows 8 Pro 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Viewsonic VP2770 27" PLS HP LP2475w IPS 24" Panel Filco Magestouch Ninja Cherry Red Corsair AX 760i  
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 800D Razer Deathadder 2013 Razer Manticor FiiO E10 Olympus DAC 
Other
AKG K550 Closed Reference Headset.  
  hide details  
Reply
post #9 of 22
Thread Starter 
I'm sorry for the confusion and the late response. But the rads are the rs240 from xspc which I have been planning on replacing, but I'm kinda restricted on space in the case. Along with that I have the 200mm phobya in the front. Both rads are set in a push/pull, drawing cool air in from outside. As far as the vpp655 pump goes, it creates a great flow. the cpu temps have never gone over the low 50s. On a good day of gaming, the 7970s won't leave the 50s. I have seen some days it would make it into the mid 60s. The idle temps are in the low 30s.
post #10 of 22
If the CPU is offering acceptable temperatures for you, are you sure you installed the GPU blocks correctly? Many people forget to take plastic protectors off before installing, or do not realize certain components on the board require thermal pads.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 2500K MSI Z77 MPower XFX HD 7970 Corsair Dominator Platinum 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung 840 EK Supreme HF CSQ Copper/Acetal CPU Block EK CSQ Copper/Acetal HD7970 GPU Block EK Multioption Res X3 250mm 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Laing D5 with EK CSQ Top Bitspower Matte Black Fittings TFC X360 Radiator with 3x Koolance 12025HBK Windows 8 Pro 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Viewsonic VP2770 27" PLS HP LP2475w IPS 24" Panel Filco Magestouch Ninja Cherry Red Corsair AX 760i  
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 800D Razer Deathadder 2013 Razer Manticor FiiO E10 Olympus DAC 
Other
AKG K550 Closed Reference Headset.  
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 2500K MSI Z77 MPower XFX HD 7970 Corsair Dominator Platinum 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung 840 EK Supreme HF CSQ Copper/Acetal CPU Block EK CSQ Copper/Acetal HD7970 GPU Block EK Multioption Res X3 250mm 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Laing D5 with EK CSQ Top Bitspower Matte Black Fittings TFC X360 Radiator with 3x Koolance 12025HBK Windows 8 Pro 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Viewsonic VP2770 27" PLS HP LP2475w IPS 24" Panel Filco Magestouch Ninja Cherry Red Corsair AX 760i  
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 800D Razer Deathadder 2013 Razer Manticor FiiO E10 Olympus DAC 
Other
AKG K550 Closed Reference Headset.  
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: ATI Cooling
Overclock.net › Forums › Graphics Cards › AMD/ATI › ATI Cooling › Water cooling not working?