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post #11 of 26
^^ agree with above, although if your gaming cpu makes little difference in terms of running performance...time to load program yes but overall framerate is GPU related. AMD is generally a cheaper build if your looking at fx 8 core compared to i7 but yes intel has more IPC...apparently steamroller is meant to be an improved IPC...

ram speeds between 1333 and 1600mhz will make little to no noticeable difference ( i bought 1600mhz ram and it was running at 1333mhz for a year and i didnt even know it!)

a 750w psu will be fine to run xfire 7970's they recommend 850w as a "play it safe" but 750w is plenty.

As far as price v performance...who cares LoL i spent so far near 1700$ on my gaming rig...one area i would never "skimp" in is PSU if it means i pay an extra 30$ so be it despite what other people have said.
Take all comments with a grain of salt as alot is personal preference. Get the best parts you can for the budget you set.
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I swapped the 256GB SSD for a 128GB one to save $100. I'm looking into an Intel CPU right now. I don't know, there's something enticing about 8 cores. tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by adridu59 View Post

Samsung MV-3V4G3D 2x4GB - $45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096
Go with these, they are low voltage and overclock like crazy. Get 2x if you really want 16GB but 8GB will be more than enough for all classical usages.
A 600W PSU will be fine. Plus this Corsair PSU is overpriced.
Rosewill Capstone 650W-M - $99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182263

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i5-3570k - $229
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H - $154
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128544

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo - $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

An alternative for the case :
Corsair 300R - $79
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139011
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If you have a brand preference, there is nothing wrong with the 8150, especially at current prices. When they were first released at price points above the 2500K they were pretty much a ripoff for 95% of users. At current pricing, it's arguably a viable CPU, especially for a machine with mixed use, multi-tasking, and creation apps that will leverage the high core count. For gaming specific rigs, Intel makes more sense because at ALMOST every possible build price, there is an intel chip + discrete GPU that performs better in games better while using less power. That said, it's not like the gap is enormous since most games leverage the GPU heavier anyway, just keep in mind, that per core performance wise, AMD is still somewhere in the ballpark of core2duo. (4 generations ago on the intel front).

Have to disagree with MisterFred on the Rosewill case issue. There are a handful of rosewill cases that, when purchased in combo specials, work out to be exceptionally high on value. The $50 Challenger isn't remarkably "special" in and of it self compared with other cases in the $40-60 range, however, is almost always available in a combo special with a PSU or HD or something with enough savings to give it the edge on value. It also comes with a complement of fans that is enough by itself to build and run a fairly OCed system, unlike many other cases at the same price point. Furthermore, it has all of the "right stuff" in my book. No sharp edges, acceptable cable management options, black interior, bottom mount PSU, sideways "slide" load 3.5" bays, etc... For a given price class, Roswill cases often "clock in" with more features, or more fans, for the money. This is not to say there aren't other wonderful cases out there. I have built machines in Rosewill cases, CoolerMaster Cases, and my personal machine, in an NZXT and they were all a very good value IMO.

On the subject of virtual machines, back when I first put this machine together. I set up 6 virtual machines and installed a different distro of linux on each all at the SAME TIME (yes, I ran 6 OS installations at the same time). To specify, I was actually "installing" them all at the same time. The Athlon II quad held up "well enough" and I was probably bottlenecked at the disk for the most part (not enough RAM), however, I think it's an interesting point to make in face of the "requirements" here. If the ole Athlon II can do it, any of the CPUs in question here will be able to pull off MANY virtual machines just fine, especially with 16GB of RAM (I only have 4).


Dear pair2kill,

RAM: Your selection is perfectly fine if you feel the need to build this with 16GB of memory. If you plan to be running virtual machines or maybe creating RAMdisks (The last time I did that was in Mac OS 7), then there is nothing wrong with going with 16GB since it's relatively inexpensive to do so (within your budget especially). I would personally probably drop down to the Ares 1866 kit for about $15 less. The only noteworthy performance difference between the 2 will be in synthetic benchmarks anyway.

HD: The drive you have selected is "fine" however, dang, the 3/5 egg review status would concern me a bit. I have read some "conjecture" that some of these drives under this model number are actually 3 platter, rather than 2 platter drives, which would make them "older/slower" than they could be. Not sure how you could confirm that you are getting the better 2 platter drive. If you think you can live within 1TB, there is a WesterDigital Blue drive with 1TB/platter (single platter drive) that I would personally opt for. ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339 )

PSU: Nothing wrong with the PSU selected, though, I believe the Rosewill Capstone 750W is a much better value for what you are doing. It costs less, is typically available in combo specials with Rosewill cases or other items like CPUs etc, and is 80+GOLD certified. 3rd party testing of the unit proves it to be an absolutely top notch PSU. In fact, in one particular review, they accidentally let their simulated "hot box" go over the temperature they were shooting for and the PSU continued to supply it's rated power without a hiccup. (these are temps way over anything you would encounter while using your computer). The gold rated and slightly lower wattage PSU is also apt to have a much more desirably "cut-in" efficiency point, meaning, that your idle power will operate at a higher efficiency.

Speaking of PSU's, this is an excellent time for you to consider whether or not you are SERIOUS about going SLI/CFX or not. If you are thinking in terms of just keeping the option open because you like the idea, then I suggest skipping it. By the time you get around to it, there will be a better single card upgrade solution available anyway (sell current card, buy new for the difference, skip all SLI/CFX problems, enjoy less heat and power consumption). The only time you should build a machine that is SLI/CFX capable, is if you intend to build the system that way almost immediately, before any new GPUs are available. In otherwords, if you need more GPU performance than is available from a single card NOW, then build the machine to support 2 or more cards, otherwise, skip it.

GPU: It's hard to go wrong these days with an upper tier card from either brand. The 7950 is a solid choice. As would be, a GTX670, or even, a GTX660Ti considering your single monitor configuration. The AMD cards will be better at openCL accelerated apps, while the Nvidia cards will be better at CUDA accelerated apps. The difference in gaming will show up in benchmarks, but won't really be visible.


MOBO: There is nothing wrong with that motherboard, however, it is certainly in the "upper echelon" class of motherboards and IMO, is likely to contain features or feature "counts" that most people will never use. The slightly more robust VRMs on a board of this class are not likely to produce an OC that is better by a margin large enough to be concerned with compared to many boards ~$150 or less. The dual GPU issue is at play here as well, dropping that SLI (8x8x or better) support is worth a look for serious savings now, at little to no performance detriment. Also, of course, if you decide to lean Intel (which would be a bit better for gaming specifically, and most "individual" tasks that are not multi-thread supporting), then you would be looking at a different board, and there are many in the $100-150 that are absolutely awesome IMO.

Case: See my comments above regarding the matter of Rosewill cases, definitely try to take advantage of a combo special somewhere.

CPU: 8150 is fine, go Intel 3570K or 2500K if you lean towards gaming. An i7, is, IMO, pushing into wasteful territory, as it really only "shines" (by less than it's cost premium) when it can be loaded with both integer and floating point loads simultaneously. I personally don't see the i7 as a "cost effective" CPU for most people.

SSD: Almost ALL SSDs are going to produce a stupid-fast performance increase over mechanical when dealing with the loading of OS and software. I personally gravitate towards the Sammy 830 series because they seem to be producing some of the highest dependability trends of anything we have ever called a "drive" in the history of computing. Otherwise, there are many to choose from that are good. I would suggest a 256GB size at this budget, because, you want to be able to install all of your programs to it. As soon as you run into the "SSD wall" you will start wasting more time than the SSD saves trying to figure out how to make everything "fit" correctly. 256GB for most people will result in a seamless (click next next next next) install process for years to come. No wasted time.

My final thought here is that, if you have the time (I have run out of time tonight otherwise I would piece it together), browse the combo specials on newegg (there is a link to combo specials available for items below the "view details" button on the product page).

Best Regards,
Eric
Edited by mdocod - 9/19/12 at 10:52pm
     
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Op if you main aim is gaming and your willing to spend so much. Then your better off with an intel config.
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Thanks for taking the time to write all that up and give me so much advice. I'm working on coming up with a new build and I'm thinking it'll cost a little more. It will be using Intel and a 256GB SSD. I'll update the first post and this one, or make a new one, when it's done. Thanks again. smile.gif
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Does anyone have any opinion or preference out of these two motherboards?

ASUS P8Z77-V LE PLUS ATX Intel Motherboard
$170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131848

GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UP4 TH ATX Intel Motherboard
$185
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128558

Or are there any better options I'm missing?

Edit:
I was looking at the Samsung RAM, the 2x4GB, and it does look pretty good. I only want to use 2 sticks regardless of how much RAM I get.
So should I really get 8GB instead of 16GB?
Edited by paid2kill - 9/21/12 at 7:20pm
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GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UP4 TH ATX Intel Motherboard
$185
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128558
This one looks fine.
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I would take the GA-Z77X-UP4 TH between those choices personally.
     
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What about...

ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$135
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293

or still the Gigabyte?
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