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Why are Opterons cheaper than A64 X2??

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It's always been my understanding that AMD's Opteron line of microprocessors are for the workstation and server markets and are equivalent to Intel's uber high-priced Xeon line. Why is it that they have been cheaper than the Athlon 64 X2 processors, which are for home desktop users?

Is it true that the integrated memory controllers on the Opterons don't perform as well as the Athlon 64 X2 and FX?

Originally Posted by Namrac
Opterons have more relaxed latencies on the memory controller, making them slightly more stable, but also slightly slower, at a given clockspeed.
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It's probably just a question of supply and demand.

The Xeon's are not *that* expensive... the Allandale/Conroe Xeon's are only about $10 - $20 more than the corresponding Core 2 Duo CPUs (E6300 = $183.50; Xeon 3040 = $194.99)

Those prices are rarely based on the actual technology. I mean, does it cost more to make an E6600 as compared to an E6700 (which is $200 more expensive)
    
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almost LOL?

optorons are made a little better in for the fact they are made for servers... they cant crash.. yes they a hair bit slower at stock speeds.. but the OCing potential is higher because they are made to a little higher specs

they are "cheaper" because not many normal computer users want a server chip.. so demand isnt as high.. most OCers know that some of these chips have the golden stepping that hits over 3GHz easily..

my next rig upgrade will be a AM2 opty.. just because i want to flurt with the conroes
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What's wrong with Conroe's? You don't like better performance

If yuo stick with AMD, wait a little bit until they release their next generation.
    
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Opterons are not supported by several motherboard manufacturers. For example DFI does not officially support Opterons, LINK, which was mandated by AMD.

I think this was enough to scare most away from them. In my testing I never saw any evidense that my Opteron's have had relaxed memory controller, and produced Sandra marks consistent with other A64 AMD cpu's clock for clock. I chose my current Opteron 165 because it was the same price as the X2 3800+ and had double the L2Cache.

So what you need to do if you are considering going the Opteron route is make sure you motherboard officially or unofficially supports the processor. Like my DFI board that does not officially support my Opteron 165 but has ran without problem since I dropped it in. If your motherboard does not officially support the Opteron search around and I bet you will find a modded bios developed by an enthusiast that adds support.
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Optys just pwn so much that is why.
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its not that i dont like the conroe.. its just that i like AMD that much for giving intel competition or we would still be buying P3s
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i bought the fx-55 and the opty 165 and i like my opty so much more i mean hell, a chip that can overclock over 1.2+ GHz is just mad nuts.......
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Originally Posted by Ace_001 View Post
almost LOL?

optorons are made a little better in for the fact they are made for servers... they cant crash..
Well of course the chip itself cant crash. Its the software that crashes. Ive seen Opteron servers running Linux that crashed all the time.
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Opterons are not supported by several motherboard manufacturers. For example DFI does not officially support Opterons, LINK, which was mandated by AMD.
true but they still work and quiet weell, i ran my opti 170 on my dfi sli-d at 2.85 ghz for a long time

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my next rig upgrade will be a AM2 opty.. just because i want to flurt with the conroes
the am2 just cant beat the conroe because of how its made, once the amd 65nm chips come out either am2 or am3 since they can both be used on the same board (hopefully) it would be better to wait if you can and hopefully the new amd chips will be badass

by the way i have a am2 opti 1210 at 2.6ghz right now and its been going strong just so people know, its on a crappy asus board (m2n-e) with limited ocing features so im glad it go tthat far, i thin it could go farther but dont have the means to run it farther now
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