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They'll work......until someone decides to service it themselves and makes a mess of it...

Also, they mentioned this on Top Gear, planes can take off and land by themselves, but would any sane person get on a plane without a human pilot? Hell no. If something goes wrong, you want someone who knows what they are doing to be able to take over.
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Pretty much. I used to live in Tampa too.
It's even worse in Sarasota...
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Damned kiddos, back in the day we actually had to drive...
Then again, this is taking all the fun out of driving.
Are they going to make F1 autonomous next?

It would be, then FIA would just ban it mid season, instead of waiting it out wink.gif

Anything I could say has already been said in all th earlier posts; I'm highly opposed to this. Not just because I'm a motorsports enthusiast, but also that I don't trust my life in the hands of a computer (plus imagine repair costs - remember the "self-parking" cars? Average alignment was upwards from $250...)

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Not to mention, even this simplest violation can cause them to revoke your license FOR LIFE, depending on the circumstances.
Every day I get angry because of how rude people are when they drive (worst experiences I've ever had are still in Italy and Egypt). These people around here seem to have a sense of entitlement, and are very smug and don't hesitate to pass you in the right lane and give you the finger, even if you're going 72-75 in a 70. It's absolutely horrid.
Again, I'm not sure if it's just something that the German method of getting a license instills in drivers, or if it really is some genetic thing that makes us good drivers (there are, of course, exceptions to this rule).

To be honest, you would frustrate me doing that. My philosophy on the left lane in the US is if you're not passing someone, just move back to the right lane. On pretty much every major highway in the US there are signs that read "Slower traffic keep right", so if someone is riding your bumper, you're the slower traffic. It gets bad when 2 drivers get side by side going right at speed limit, and cars start stacking up behind them. In california they have laws that say you can't do that in fact, that someone has to be paying attention enough to realize they're blocking traffic from passing them and move, or they all get tickets. How 1 cop would pull all 3 over is beyond me, but it's a good law IMO.
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The pro's vastly outweigh the cons when it comes to automated cars. Once they perfect it (and eventually they will) the effect road death toll will be reduced to almost zero. Cars will actually be able to travel FASTER than the speeds we usually drive around at nowadays, automated cars on superhighways may cross speeds of 150mph - speeds at which human drivers (human error/drunk/sleepy) will cause nothing but tragedy after tragedy.
Age will no longer be relevant if cars become fully automated, anybody from a child to an aging granny (authorized obviously) will be able to safely and quickly get around without having to use public transport.

I say hell yes to that. The transition may be slow and painful, but we'll get there eventually. I want to enjoy a videogame with my kids while my car takes me to places, and I wish to see that happen in my lifetime.

I stopped enjoying the drive to work a LONG time ago, that's where 90% of my driving happens. It's boring as hell.
Edited by Tippy - 9/19/12 at 12:49pm
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As long as they prefect it, I'm fine with it. Will let me enjoy long road trips.
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You know Duckie, I've been following the comments here in this thread for a while now but I just can't escape the impression that you get a bit too hung up about trying to compare cars to planes in context of autonomous control v.s. risk.
You should know that people don't take an automated plane to work with their daily commute. It's large volume transportation, with the decent amount of supervision on traffic; the plane is actually one of the most safe vehicles when it comes to death rates.
Most of the flights are automated. I had a professor in college who did take a plane to work so there! tongue.gif (He worked at Bell Labs and was rich from selling three computer start up companies. He lived in Florida but flew up to NJ to teach a class once a week.)

...and yes, you can compare cars to planes and mass transport. You're thinking too small..... The Swedes are currently testing car trains.


Here's an interesting paper: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?reload=true&arnumber=6093130
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If all of the vehicles use sensors alone, the increase in highway capacity is about 43%. While if all of the vehicles use both sensors and vehicle-to-vehicle communication, the increase is about 273%.

Think about that.... how much does the US highway system cost to build and maintain? ($200-500 billion a year) Robotic cars basically make virtually all existing roads more than adequate. Traffic in the US wastes over $100 billion a year as well. Accidents costs another $200 billion.

(I have degree in economics so I am taking an objective view... robotic cars would end up saving the US alone over a trillion dollars a year after upfront costs of equiping cars. The ROI is obvious.)



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But this isn't a discussion about planes and cars. To have cars follow the same pattern on regular country roads it takes a whole lot more than autonomous cars and they really can't be packed close together. If something malfunctions and there's no room for evasion due to the density, then say hi to chaos.
No, all it would take is autonomous cars. Why can't autonomous cars dir on country roads.... they already do it today. This is not just some concept in the labs, companies are already testing. If there's a malfunction, what's the minimum stopping distance of a vehicle that is not involved in collision? The braking distance. Any cars following the braking car will know to brake virtually immediately as well. If there is object like a deer or stray car driven by a human incoming, sensors will be able to see around the car, further away, and in more varying conditions than a person with two eyes... plus will be able to react without emotion.
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When it comes to overall safety, while the robotic cars will be okay at pathfinding and collision detecting, they will never be able to anticipate as well as people can. That's a huge area there to be explored yet. And now what if the software
and or hardware fails? You'll in a sudden have to rely on built in crisis-control?
How many accidents are cause by nervous drivers over correcting? Humans can only see about 180 degrees with lighting and cannot see through obstructions (i.e. the car in front of them). A computer can see in very low light and IR 360 degrees. With networking, computers can know what all nearby vehicles are doing as well. Furthermore, humans do not stay 100% focus on the road. Anticipate requires attention.

It's not like there won't be fail-safes. Google cars today require two people (moving to one soon) to ensure safety. A simple one would be just brake and shutdown the car. All other vehicles can adjust accordingly.

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No way. There are some things that are better left up to competent people rather than 'robots'.
The other point I have a bit of an issue with is how you try to downplay the fun and desire for the need to drive and that people who love that sort of should just give up and forget and deal with the robotic transport. So much waste eh? Watching T.V. instead huh? Yeah. Why I am not driving now?
I'm waking up, writing up this post. Getting ready for work. Will get into the car in a little while, drive around the block and a bit of highway, the long route to work rather than the short route, getting to enjoy sume fun bends in the roads. Another time I don't drive because I play the keyboard. Yes, I love music and the making of tremendously. And sometimes, when I feel like it I go/ drive, opening the door to enter the "freedom capsule" and set myself free. It's an experience. You don't have to understand, but at least respect one's desire and value towards driving.
P.S. Musclecars, all muscles, no handling! Jap power all the way! (Joking thumb.gif)
No one is taking that away from you.... but the 99.999% of the driving out there is considered work. Billions saved in gas/pollution, productivity increase with more time, damage reduced from fewer accidents, and lives saved is more important than a few people's enjoyment. That's the pragmatic view of the world.
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I dislike this very much... Hey you know all those people that drives semi's across the U.S.? Yeah, well they're gone now. Same thing could happen with mailmen and any other job that requires some kind of vehicle. Pilots? Who needs them? The world is going to be a very sad place in the future. sad-smiley-002.gif
Exactly.... who needs them? Just like who needs phone switch operators, loomers, milkmaids, button makers, etc.

Do you want to stop progress to save the jobs of a few at the costs of billions and lives? That's illogical. The majority of people can be retrained or find other work.... as they have been since the dawn of humanity.

Robots took over auto manufacturing in the 80s... did the world end? No, we have cheaper and higher quality cars now. While their is a human toll locally and short-term, overall humanity is vastly better. There is some friction with progress but when the benefits outweight the cost.... it's easy to decide.

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No I don't fly obviously. Don't plan to either and don't give a crap. Good for them.
Taking away something as trivial as driving is stupid, they should just make it harder to get your license, not attempting to reinvent transportation.
Driving is not trivial.... hence, the requirement of a licnese.

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To be honest, you would frustrate me doing that. My philosophy on the left lane in the US is if you're not passing someone, just move back to the right lane. On pretty much every major highway in the US there are signs that read "Slower traffic keep right", so if someone is riding your bumper, you're the slower traffic. It gets bad when 2 drivers get side by side going right at speed limit, and cars start stacking up behind them. In california they have laws that say you can't do that in fact, that someone has to be paying attention enough to realize they're blocking traffic from passing them and move, or they all get tickets. How 1 cop would pull all 3 over is beyond me, but it's a good law IMO.
In NJ, the law says the left lane is only for passing.
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I'm all in for this autonomous cars and all but until they can prove it will be 100% safe and nothing will ever go wrong (which wont happen) then I will get in one everyday.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that this needs to be 100% safe. That's impossible. But fear not, human drivers set the bar really really low and computers only need to beat the humans to be the safest way to drive.
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its a good thing and eventually we are going to get there.. no problem for me

BUT

what we REALLY need its a mass extinction event that kills at least 60% of the people on this planet, waay to many idiots arounds, and still reproducing themselves
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its a good thing and eventually we are going to get there.. no problem for me
BUT
what we REALLY need its a mass extinction event that kills at least 60% of the people on this planet, waay to many idiots arounds, and still reproducing themselves

See: Idiocracy. thumb.gif
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