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...and? This is what economist, engineers, car companies, and governments believe as well.

It means you probably care about computers. Enough that you don't exclusively use a locked down one that is of no use besides browsing, which is the only real task the majority of computer users do.
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Computers do not kill.

They can. Not directly or with intent, but in a position where they are in control of anything that could potentially kill, there is always a chance that they can go wrong. That's why there tend to be manual overrides. Computers are not infallible, and almost certainly never will be.
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Computer performance must vary.
Computer operating systems must vary.
Must? For what? Everyone could run the same OS and while it wouldn't be ideal, we'd all still be here.
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Computer infrastructure does not cost billions to expand and maintain.

Of course it does. The cost of laying down those new fibre cables (fixing breaks in them isn't easy either) , Running internet service providers, Various other involved IT services, all costs considerable sums of money. Besides, It's a meaningless comparison because even if all cars were automated, the roads would still need to be maintained.
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Anyone with computer can write something that can benefit everyone.

No, Not everyone can write code. In fact, few can. If you are referring to writing meaningful text, then not even that is true, or trolls wouldn't exist.
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If you remove the ability of creating code, you negate one of the biggest economic driver of the worth of computers.

Maybe, but I also meant to say that HTML would have to be excluded from the coding ban, because that is fairly safe and without it the web couldn't even work. Most of the value in computers today is on the web, so that's the main one.

A ban like that is not practical, and hard to enforce, but that's the point. It would be equally as hard to enact and enforce a law banning humans from driving. People would try to get around it, just as with any other law.
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The cost of hacking is greatly outweighed by the benefit of at least semi-open system.

And that is my point. I don't want to be locked out for doing something because of other people's fear driven opinions.
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Driving is a bunch of repetitive tasks and checks. A properly programmed computer can easily replicate this robotic behavior.
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Driving is a bunch of repetitive tasks and checks. A properly programmed computer can easily replicate this robotic behavior.

Cars have mass. No matter how much a computer wants to decide so, the car can only deviate from its course a relative amount. To properly calculate a safe course amongst unpredictable factors the ability to anticipate becomes a requirement. For that, data most be logged or otherwise processed to recognize time based patterns. The software really won't be as easy to write as any of you may think.

Audi's way is the way to go. Using vision for navigation rather than a virtual location, as a virtual location/marker will never transmit geological detail that will directly impact the car. With the aid of GPS, but rely on camera for actual close range navigation. Now the Audi is facing nothing but some dirt on a closed track, software development mainly goes into car control, Thus, creating a driver that can control the car efficiently through the track. Howver, that driver would not have a clue about how to resolve complex traffic situations.

Add into this mix pedestrians and cyclists, and you can simply not evade the human factor interacting with traffic. Unless those cars were prohibited in town, or be put underground, or otherwise not directly intersecting with any other non automated traffic. That will cost a an enormous amount to change over cities to separate the types of traffic.

The first thing to do to create a driver that could drive a car amongst other living beings is to be able to simulate a human brain and its powerful pattern matching and decision making, augmented with all the sensory input. When that can be done, we can have fully automated cars that would not only drive you to your destination, but also chat to you about their day. Or other cars smile.gif
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Cars have mass. No matter how much a computer wants to decide so, the car can only deviate from its course a relative amount. To properly calculate a safe course amongst unpredictable factors the ability to anticipate becomes a requirement. For that, data most be logged or otherwise processed to recognize time based patterns. The software really won't be as easy to write as any of you may think.

Audi's way is the way to go. Using vision for navigation rather than a virtual location, as a virtual location/marker will never transmit geological detail that will directly impact the car. With the aid of GPS, but rely on camera for actual close range navigation. Now the Audi is facing nothing but some dirt on a closed track, software development mainly goes into car control, Thus, creating a driver that can control the car efficiently through the track. Howver, that driver would not have a clue about how to resolve complex traffic situations.

Add into this mix pedestrians and cyclists, and you can simply not evade the human factor interacting with traffic. Unless those cars were prohibited in town, or be put underground, or otherwise not directly intersecting with any other non automated traffic. That will cost a an enormous amount to change over cities to separate the types of traffic.

The first thing to do to create a driver that could drive a car amongst other living beings is to be able to simulate a human brain and its powerful pattern matching and decision making, augmented with all the sensory input. When that can be done, we can have fully automated cars that would not only drive you to your destination, but also chat to you about their day. Or other cars smile.gif

Those stuff can be done. If the number of pedestrian/cyclists injuries/fatalities can be reduced with automated cars vs. human driving, it would be worth it. Automated cars can mean no more designated drivers or drunk drivers for all the late-night party goers.
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Objectively... how much does eye contact matter?
Does accident rates increase with people driving sun glasses or tinted out windows? If we can adjust for the issues with rain, fog, night, snow, etc driving, can we isolate the benefit of eye contact?
A economist can actually calcuated the benefit. It's not like people are crashing into each more when they wear sunglasses... or are they?
I am fully aware of situational awareness... I use to train in martial arts and self-defense.
??
Not true.. velocity is the deriative of acceleration. Acceleration can stay constant while velocity increases. Acceleration is the slope (or change) in velocity over time. You can accelerate at a constant rate but be moving faster.
Jump off a cliff. Your acceleration is about a constant 9.8 m/s^2 but your velocity increases as you fall.
The picture does not show the truth of the statement because you're missing a second picture: A vertically stretched picture. When you want a higher topspeed (velocity) over a given distance, you will need to increase the (de)acceleration, whether it would be a constant factor (@%#$%#$% jerky) or not. One can smoothe the acceleration factor, but the deltas themselves WILL be bigger when a higher top speed is wanted.

Increasing topspeed around the 'hood would have to make me brake and accelerate like crazy before bends. Increased wear and tear it would cause as well.
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You're on a computer enthusiast website. How would you feel if the governments banned all computers except for macs.....
Custom build computers don't explode killing millions of people yearly... Is it really SO HARD to see the difference?

@ all the "car/driving enthusiast" (especially 18 year old engine designers:rolleyes:) saying they trust their driving skill more than that of a computer... Well, guess what - I DON'T!
If you want to die, that's fine, just don't take others with you.


DuckieHo, you are one of the (if not THE) main reasons I read this forum daily.
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^ Precisely the kind of driver I'll be glad can't drive anymore when/if this ever happens.
The march of technology is hardly embracing a nanny state. The people who oppose this are the sort of people who were probably railing against cars themselves when they were first invented.

No, it's people who believe in personal freedoms and want to restrict the government's ability to 'protect us from ourselves'
    
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No, it's people who believe in personal freedoms and want to restrict the government's ability to 'protect us from ourselves'

Read the thread, especially DuckieHo's posts. It's more along the lines of lessening the risk to society as a whole, in which there are quantifiable economic benefits. Maybe not in Ayn Rand's world, but in the real world, your "personal freedoms" can and do affect others.
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Have fun biking everywhere in 30 years then, as manual driving won't be legal on the roads.

Seat belts were mandated by law well over 30 years ago yet you can still legally drive a car without them if it was manufactured before they were required.
    
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there is another way of saving lives and cash,
get everyone not willing to drive and not taking it seriously out of the way, only public transportation for those, that would be cost-effective and life saving, see no need for autonomous cars.
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