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9/19/12 at 1:27am
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Originally Posted by makecoldplayhistory View Post

Nemeis - I have no idea what you just said... smile.gif
If you're saying it won't work using a wifi connection from the host PC; well, it was up until yesterday.
If I misunderstood you (very likely), can you put it into n00b-speak.
Thanks

The last time i used ICS was back before vista.
I tried using it exactly how you had it in your OP
Router -> Wifi -> host PC -> ethernet cable ->switch -> ethernet cable -> client PC
It never worked.
I did it later with someone elses computer that was running a cellular card and it worked just fine, because the Host PC had its own WAN ip and was able to DHCP the client PC.

My guess with your situation would be that it has something to do with the crossover cable enabling 2 pcs to talk directly to each other without needing DHCP assigment.
when you add the switch, anything behind that is going to require a DHCP server afaik. Have you tried going back to just the crossover cable between the 2 pcs to see what you get?
What does the client PC report its IP address as being?

Also, i would like to inquire why you want to run multiple PC's in client behind an ICS over a wifi network? there are other ways that are much easier and more efficient.
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post #12 of 17
9/19/12 at 1:39am
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I've gone back to the crossover cable without the switch. That's what was working and stopped when I tried the switch last night*


I'm trying the setup I am because the router is in a different room to the machines.

In the office I have my sig rig, a Linux machine, a machine for storage (like a cheap NAS) and a spare machine I use for testing old components, troubleshooting friend's components etc.

It's only really my sig rig that uses the wifi a lot (and that's the host PC). It's good to have it on the other machines though. The reason I needed to ICS (or similar) is because file transfers through the router with all of the machines connected wirelessly was too slow to be of any use. 4 mins to transfer a word document.






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*although I didn't touch any settings etc
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9/19/12 at 1:50am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by makecoldplayhistory View Post

I've gone back to the crossover cable without the switch. That's what was working and stopped when I tried the switch last night*
I'm trying the setup I am because the router is in a different room to the machines.
In the office I have my sig rig, a Linux machine, a machine for storage (like a cheap NAS) and a spare machine I use for testing old components, troubleshooting friend's components etc.
It's only really my sig rig that uses the wifi a lot (and that's the host PC). It's good to have it on the other machines though. The reason I needed to ICS (or similar) is because file transfers through the router with all of the machines connected wirelessly was too slow to be of any use. 4 mins to transfer a word document.
Cheers
*although I didn't touch any settings etc

This is what i was thinking your reason would be, while it would be nice having them all connect through the main rig to the internet, and be on a lan to transfer files, consumer versions of Windows just aren't built to do stuff like that really. if you really wanted to do that through a PC, you'd end up spending a extra building yourself a dedicated router PC with a special version of linux loaded on it. then you would have to deal with finding a compatible Wifi adapter.
What you need to do is find another wireless router to hook all of your PCs directly to and use it as a wireless bridge to the main router. Not every router supports this feature out of the box, and some routers don't have the capability to have custom firmwares loaded on them. if you can tell me what hardware you have Modem/router wise and how its setup i should be able to find you a suitable router to do the job.
the Upsides of running a network this way are Numerous:
1. Routers generally have better Wifi transceivers in them than what you plug into your PC, so you will have better maximum throughput and signal strength on your main wireless connection.
2. using a router will Preserve QOS functionality, so your main system cant hog all the bandwidth if you are downloading something and want to use one of the other PCs on the web.
3. you wont have to deal with getting multiple client PCs setup behind ICS, which im not sure is even possible.
4. You will be able to transfer files between the PCs quickly
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post #14 of 17
9/19/12 at 3:18am
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I have a Linksys WRT160N

So, I have the setup below but swapping the switch for a router?

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Just for now, any idea why the ICS with just the two machines won't work?

In this pic (from Microsoft), it's a similar setup to what I want just having a wired connection to the router. I'm wondering if there's any way to run a cable into my office.

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9/19/12 at 11:22am
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im not sure why it wont work for you. like i said, i havent Used ICS in a long time and i suppose they could have made it capable of doing that, but as far as i remember, it goes like this.

ICS stands for Internet Connection Sharing. on a normal Lan, the Internet Connection is on the other side of a NAT/DHCP enabled router or router/modem combo.
Your Internet Connection is your WAN IP (wide Area Network).
your Lan is everything behind the router.

It was my experience back with XP that ICS only worked if the host PC had a Direct Wan IP through the modem. While it doesn't say it, the second picture you posted could be like this, with the modem passing the WAN ip straight to the host PC, in which case that should work easily.

So you tried going back to just the crossover cable and it still isnt working?
Do a "ipconfig /all" and tell me what the client PC reports its IP as being
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post #16 of 17
9/19/12 at 5:47pm
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The crossover cable works for sharing files, but doesn't allow internet access from the client PC. Both the host and client computers show the wired network as being an "unidentified network"

This is the client PC's ipconfig /all output
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Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
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C:\Users\Mike>ipconfig /all

Windows IP Configuration

   Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Server
   Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . :
   Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed
   IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
   WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) Family PCI-E
 Gigabit Ethernet NIC (NDIS 6.20)
   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-24-1D-84-EE-2E
   DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
   Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::a57d:437b:a00a:4e36%10(Preferred)
   IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.12(Preferred)
   Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
   Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
   DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1
                                       fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1
                                       fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1
   NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Tunnel adapter isatap.{248C2DBD-9FB0-4231-8741-314321F9C263}:

   Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter
   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
   DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
   DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
   IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 2001:0:4137:9e76:2cae:2bbc:3f57:fe97(Pref
erred)
   Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::2cae:2bbc:3f57:fe97%11(Preferred)
   Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : ::
   NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

C:\Users\Mike>

Thanks for your help.
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9/20/12 at 10:33am
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hmm, the IP looks right, and your file sharing works, so i really cant say why it isnt working. If you can tell me what router/modem you have then maybe i can point you in the right direction for a wireless bridge thumb.gif
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