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even where the 680 should win it doesnt.
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Originally Posted by DaFirnz View Post

Ya turn on phys-x and get walked-on by the 7970.
http://www.techspot.com/review/577-borderlands-2-performance/page5.html
It would probably be a better test if they could compare physx running on the CPU for both the 680 and 7970. In this case, physx is running off the 680, but off the CPU for 7970. So i'm not sure how comparable the results are. You could have greatly varying results depending on your CPU
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Originally Posted by Alienware69 View Post

LOL this is no contest. The 7970 can't even keep up with the 660 Ti @ 2560x1600
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So, 7970 owners... how's it feel to know you wasted $400? Eat it AMD fanbois. lachen.gif

Shame I feel sorry for you...
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post #44 of 117
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Originally Posted by GREG MISO View Post

Says the man with beats and alienware as his username. In every other benchmark the 7950 does way better than the 660ti and is cheper too.
I lol'd at this.

As for which card to get, I'm now on the fence after reading through this thread. I was just about to get a 680 sc+ but now I'm not too sure.
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post #45 of 117
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I don't think we've seen the memory differences come into play yet, maybe we will in the future.
The 7970 trades wins with the 680 if both have are overclocked, so it will surely give you better performance than it's little brother. Here's a good round up of some 7970s, as you can see the sapphire does pretty well http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-overclock-review,3186-11.html the one they test is their dual-flex cooler, their vapor-x performs slightly better iirc.
It's pretty much Nvidia>AMD in BF3/Skyrim Amd>Nvidia in Crysis/Metro, as long as the cards are in the same tier. I think Witcher favours AMD and can't remember what Batman likes. Keep in mind, the differences are small and either the 670/680/7950/7970 will max your games at 1080p.
Objectively, the AMD cards are just a better value when you factor in overclocking. And, you should definitely also consider the 7950.

This. thumb.gif

In fact, this deserves a +rep.

Edit: My god there's so much stupidity in this thread... cut it out with the fanboyism already. Both sides.
Edited by Shimme - 9/21/12 at 10:01pm
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LOL this is no contest. The 7970 can't even keep up with the 660 Ti @ 2560x1600
2560.png
So, 7970 owners... how's it feel to know you wasted $400? Eat it AMD fanbois. lachen.gif

aaaand thread derailed. You aren't very smart. Try to remember that the next time you post on this forum. I will likely get an infraction for this post, and I don't care. If it will make someone nearly as uninformed as you think, even for a second, before posting garbage like this. Just because borderlands 2 favors nvidia less than a week after release, it in no way means, by and large, nvidia cards are superior. Sad.
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post #47 of 117
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Originally Posted by Tatakai All View Post

I lol'd at this.
As for which card to get, I'm now on the fence after reading through this thread. I was just about to get a 680 sc+ but now I'm not too sure.


I needed a nv card for my son's 3D panel. His rig used to run dual 580s. Then again I did get the 680 SC for 400, amazon sale plus some amazon credit.

Retail wise though, 680s are a bit more than 7970s. If you don't 3D on Vision and specifically want physx, the additions on the 7970 are great (eyefinity/3gb vram) for 100 less.
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It is the whole "play up your strength while play down your weakness thing"

In any Pro 670 argument:
1.3D is needed/beneficial (since 3D Vision2 is far more polished than HD3D).
2. 1080p 120Hz 2ms is prefered over 1440p 8ms (since 670 is weak in 1440p+).
3. 3 screen surround is overrated and by extension so is extra Vram & Memory bus speed.

In any Pro 7970 agrument:
1. 3D is a scam.
2.1440p > 120Hz, and 8ms isn't a big deal.
3.Eyefinity is amazing and extra Vram & Memory bus speed is very important.
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Just go to this review and look at the cards in action. This is a pretty up-to-date review done this month.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_7950_Vapor-X/6.html

FPS- As you can clearly tell both the 680 and 7970 ghz are neck and neck. 7970 winning game by between 2-20 fps around 1080p. Same goes for the 680 pulling the same numbers at the same resolution on different games. So if you can sit here and tell me that you can tell a difference of getting 120fps or 125fps i would say you're full of it. So with that being said no matter what card wins what game they will both preform the same as far as fps goes on 1080p.

Power Consumptionn- As you can see the 680 uses less power. Enough said nothing really needs to add to this as i think everyone can agree to that.

Noise levell- I have been digging into this a decent bit myself and honestly from what i can tell the results are different based on what after market cooler you have. With that said i think the 680 stays silent up to 60% fan speeds then you start to hear it. Where as with the 7970 ghz, you can start to hear it around 40%. It comes down to at idle the 7970 is around 2 decibels quieter then the 680, and at load the 7970 ghz is around 7-8 decibels louder than the 680.

VRam- The 680 has a 256-bit bus with 2gb vram where as the 7970 has 384-bit bus with 3gb vram. Now Most will say the 3gb of vram Isn't needed and that's clearly up to debate and what you will use your card for. But I will just say we have seen games like Max pain and skyrim going over 2gb vram, and that is THIS generation of games. So keep that in mind if you want to keep your card for a couple of years.

Price- The 7970 ghz edition is about 470$ with dirt showdown, and the 680 sc is 500$ with borderlands 2.

Over all in my opinion you need to ask yourself one question. Do you want a card that costs more but uses a bit less power and runs a bit quieter and has 2gb vram. Or, Do you want a card that costs a bit less, runs a bit louder, uses a little more power, but comes with 3gb vram?
Edited by Hyperion. - 9/22/12 at 7:28am
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Just go to this review and look at the cards in action. This is a pretty up-to-date review done this month.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_7950_Vapor-X/6.html
FPS- As you can clearly tell both the 680 and 7970 ghz are neck and neck. 7970 winning game by between 2-20 fps around 1080p. Same goes for the 680 pulling the same numbers at the same resolution on different games. So if you can sit here and tell me that you can tell a difference of getting 120fps or 125fps i would say you're full of it. So with that being said no matter what card wins what game they will both preform the same as far as fps goes on 1080p.
Power Consumptionn- As you can see the 680 uses less power. Enough said nothing really needs to add to this as i think everyone can agree to that.
Noise levell- I have been digging into this a decent bit myself and honestly from what i can tell the results are different based on what after market cooler you have. With that said i think the 680 stays silent up to 60% fan speeds then you start to hear it. Where as with the 7970 ghz, you can start to hear it around 40%. It comes down to at idle the 7970 is around 2 decibels quieter then the 680, and at load the 7970 ghz is around 7-8 decibels louder than the 680.
VRam- The 680 has a 256-bit bus with 2gb vram where as the 7970 has 384-bit bus with 3gb vram. Now Most will say the 3gb of vram Isn't needed and that's clearly up to debate and what you will use your card for. But I will just say we have seen games like Max pain and skyrim going over 2gb vram, and that is THIS generation of games. So keep that in mind if you want to keep your card for a couple of years.
Price- The 7970 ghz edition is about 470$ with dirt showdown, and the 680 sc is 500$ with borderlands 2.
Over all in my opinion you need to ask yourself one question. Do you want a card that costs more but uses a bit less power and runs a bit quieter and has 2gb vram. Or, Do you want a card that costs a bit less, runs a bit louder, uses a little more power, but comes with 3gb vram?


from the review you linked

Drivers: NVIDIA: 304.79 Beta
ATI: Catalyst 12.7 Beta

AFAIK these are still not up to date.


My point stands, I am taking 670 over the 7970.

Power and temperature/noise go hand in hand, since more TDP=more heat generated, so given the same cooling system used the 7970 will run hotter than the 670, the Ghz will do the same against a 680. Unless you want a multiple monitor/1440p+ set up, 670 still have a slight edge over 7970.

Using the same Twin Frozor cooler:
MSI 7970 lightning


vs MSI 670 PE

Edited by sherlock - 9/22/12 at 8:39am
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