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I've been out of the loop AMD wise since Bulldozer launched, how are these new Piledriver CPUs supposed to perform IPC wise?

Based on the Trinity preview using Piledriver cores, anywhere from 5-15% IPC increase over Bulldozer cores, with ~9% on average. Trinity lacks L3, while Vishera will have L3, so the IPC increase over Bulldozer might be greater. Additionally, the Piledriver cores used in Vishera are supposed to be better than the Piledriver cores used in Trinity based on AMD's roadmap. Wait ~1-2 weeks and we'll find out for certain.

Besides IPC, Vishera is getting a ~10% clock increase inside the same thermal envelop/power requirements.
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Thanks for the quick replies fellas.

I'll be sure to check out the reviews once these CPUs are released. I had enormous hopes for Bulldozer.
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Based on the Trinity preview using Piledriver cores, anywhere from 5-15% IPC increase over Bulldozer cores, with ~9% on average. Trinity lacks L3, while Vishera will have L3, so the IPC increase over Bulldozer might be greater. Additionally, the Piledriver cores used in Vishera are supposed to be better than the Piledriver cores used in Trinity based on AMD's roadmap. Wait ~1-2 weeks and we'll find out for certain.
Besides IPC, Vishera is getting a ~10% clock increase inside the same thermal envelop/power requirements.
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Originally Posted by Liranan View Post

Intel proved this with Netburst. People bought P4's because they were higher clocked than AMD's offerings despite their inferiority.

I'd say the opposite is true. Intel had traditional greatly outsold AMD, they were first and bigger.

It was during the P4 that AMD offered a performance advantage and Intel sales took a hit. Things changed course with the core 2 duo.

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http://seekingalpha.com/article/415801-buy-amd-it-can-thrive-in-the-face-of-intel-s-dominance


Edit:
Actually that graph is based on flawed passmark data, not units sold. But this chart shows a similar trend.

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Edited by erunion - 9/25/12 at 9:59pm
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Based on the Trinity preview using Piledriver cores, anywhere from 5-15% IPC increase over Bulldozer cores, with ~9% on average. Trinity lacks L3, while Vishera will have L3, so the IPC increase over Bulldozer might be greater. Additionally, the Piledriver cores used in Vishera are supposed to be better than the Piledriver cores used in Trinity based on AMD's roadmap. Wait ~1-2 weeks and we'll find out for certain.
Besides IPC, Vishera is getting a ~10% clock increase inside the same thermal envelop/power requirements.

so then why is everyone here excited about Piledriver? Because I remember people saying Bulldozer a pointless purchase due to be same price range as a superior Intel alternative
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so then why is everyone here excited about Piledriver? Because I remember people saying Bulldozer a pointless purchase due to be same price range as a superior Intel alternative

Because Ivy Bridge didn't really improve on anything, while Piledriver is. And more importantly, everyone who is already on an AMD platform has a decent upgrade awaiting.
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Because Ivy Bridge didn't really improve on anything, while Piledriver is. And more importantly, everyone who is already on an AMD platform has a decent upgrade awaiting.
Yeah, that pretty much sums up IB; it was faster but had a lower max clock due to the excess heat. They also had PCIe 3.0, which was redundant unless you were trying to do 3+ way SLI.
Edited by Art Vanelay - 9/26/12 at 5:49am
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Yeah, that pretty much sums up IB; it was faster but had a lower max clock due to the excess heat. They also had PCIe 3.0, which was redundant unless you were trying to do 3+ way SLI.

Ivy Bridge for non-overclockers (i5-3450, i5-3550,i7-3770) would have been better if Intel didn't try to milk its customers by using cheap TIM. The TIM fiasco combined with greater density on the die makes Sandy Bridge > Ivy Bridge for overclocking even if it takes more GHz to get Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge levels of performance (Ivy Bridge has a max multiplier of 63 instead of 57).

There's a bunch of value adds nobody really cares about unless they're trying to build a sub $500 PC or buy off the shelf/laptop: improved Intel HD graphics with DX11 (not relevant unless you use unlocked processors anyway, and if you use unlocked you likely have a GPU), native DDR3 1600, integrated USB 3.0 support (z68 had this), lower power draw. Nobody using a PC for normal use cares how many nm or about tri-gates.

If you look at off the shelf PCs, almost all of them that cost >$800 pair up their Intel CPUs with anemic Nvidia GT 640/ GT 610/GT 620/GT 630 or Radeon HD 7570, HD 7670 (that are still better than Intel HD).

AMD could sell ridiculous amounts of APUs (hence socket FM2), because off the shelf PCs other than the premium ones (HP HPE and Dell XPS for example) come with Intel HD IGPs. Only recently has Cyberpower become available in stores and even some its PCs come with GT 520.

For laptops, APUs are even more important because graphics aren't really upgrade-able.

This is why they invested so much into Trinity and seemingly little in Vishera.
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Trinity, but whatever.. A10 5800K
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sorry for the bump any news about this??? im getting desperate to not find any new information about this...
and im almost going on vacation and i need a new CPU to play game all the long lol

im about to get a FX8150 in the mean time then
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